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1/29/09 10:22 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon SASKATCHEWAN Canada | | | | | |
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Calvinist Understanding wrote: If a doctrinal system is to be judged by its fruits and one constantly meets people who profess to espouse a particular system but whose behaviour is anything but Christian, then why should there be blame attached to the person who judges that particular system of belief to be false? If we are to judge ones's belief and or doctrines by the way WE behave on these boards, then the Christian faith is not valid at all. However, the objective truths and the fruit of Christ's obedience, even unto death is what validate the doctrine of christianity. And are you attempting to diqualify reformed doctrine based upon tasting the fruit of my street preaching? John UK. Yes we have large perch and very large walleye. World record thru the ice 4 years ago by a priest! Scroll down to the bottom of the page. [URL=http://www.walleyecentral.com/tenpoundclub/?PID=82#116]]]18.3 Pounds Thru the Ice![/URL] Hey Calvinist Understanding, do snow cleared streets on the lake count for street preaching? [URL=http://www.walleyecentral.com/tenpoundclub/?PID=1102#1363]]]My son in my boat with some big ones![/URL] |
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1/29/09 8:02 AM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon, Canada | | | | | |
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Calvinist Understanding wrote: Rogerant What is your problem? Why don't you stop trying to put Michael into a convenient theological box. He has already said that he does not espouse Calvinism or Arminianism. So why do you post like you are writing to an Arminian? Calvinist UnderstandingI would leave Michael Hranek alone if he would not consider it his mission in life to continually attack and misrepresent John Calvin, the WCF, and continually preach at us. As for his confession of not holding to a Arminian or Calvinist position, he has been asked on numerous occasions to post his position on election and defend it with scripture. DJC49 asked him numerous times last week, but he chose not to defend his doctrine. BTW: Bishop J C Ryle was a Anglican Calvinist. Roger from Northeast Perhaps you are on the wrong thread for what you are looking for. BTW, you came on the board and received quite a bit of attention. Therefore it is evident that we don't have monopoly powers on the board. Good morning John UK. I thank you for reading RC Sprouls paper. I do believe that we were just splitting hairs as the meaning of Dbl Predestination is miss represented some times. |
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1/28/09 12:22 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: Sure they did, Roger, because none of them believed the nonelect were predestinated unto damnation. George Whitefield, that stalwart of the eighteenth century, used by God in blessing to so many, wrote: "'Without doubt, the doctrine of election and reprobation must stand or fall together... I frankly acknowledge I believe the doctrine of Reprobation, that God intends to give saving grace, through Jesus Christ, only to a certain number; and that the rest of mankind, after the fall of Adam, being justly left to God to continue in sin, will at last suffer that eternal death which is its proper wages." Check again there John! And the Gideon's were 5 point Calvinists. And we obey the scripture to love all men regardless and to preach to them. The only ones that believe that there is nno point in preaching to the lost because of double predestination is you people. We preach to the lost because preaching is the means that God uses to save people. We do it out of obedience. Can you find in the WCF where we are taught NOT to preach to the lost? |
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1/26/09 5:06 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: So imagine, if you would, that God had put you in the second category. He brought you into this world purely to show to the world how great he, as God, was, and that no man, including you, may gainsay or go against him. He did not regard your sin in Adam, nor your sin in life, nor your rejection of his Son, but merely predestined your eternal damnation FOR HIS GOOD PLEASURE. Now perhaps imagine this: Perhaps God in desiring to show all of His creation, including elect and reprobate angels and everyone living being that He has created, the following: That there is NO ONE ELSE apart from Him that knows GOOD from EVIL. That NO ONE apart from Himself, with a free will, has the capacity to determine good from evil. Since God is all that is good, because He is in essence, the source of all goodness. He had a rebellion in heaven, Satan and all the fallen angles, that believed that they had the ability to determine their own destiny, even though God created them and us, for Himself and His glory. But there are some here, that believe that they were created so that they themselves, might glorify themselves by the utilization of their free will to choose good from evil. |
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1/26/09 3:34 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: Pinky again: "...therefore in giving being and birth to those He knew would reject Christ, He necessarily created them unto damnation. All that can be said in reply to this is, No, while God did foreknow these ones would reject Christ, yet He did not decree that they should." Good ol' Pinky. But, finish the rest of the paragraph...But this is a begging of the real question at issue. God had a definite reason why He created men, a specific purpose why He created this and that individual, and in view of the eternal destination of His creatures, He purposed either that this one should spend eternity in Heaven or that this one should spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. If then He foresaw that in creating a certain person that that person would despise and reject the Savior, yet knowing this beforehand He, nevertheless, brought that person into existence, then it is clear He designed and ORDAINED that that person should be eternally lost. Again; faith is God’s gift, and the purpose to give it only to some, involves the purpose not to give it to others...hence if there were some of Adam’s descendants to whom He purposed not to give faith, it must be because He ordained that they should be DAMNED. |
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1/26/09 1:52 PM |
rogerant | | Saskatoon Canada | | | | | |
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John UK wrote: It is a single predestination, you see. And my position is very much biblically based. Teachers of Double Predestination include:John Bunyan, author of “The Pilgrim’s Progress,” wrote a whole volume on “Reprobation”. From it we make one brief extract:— “Reprobation is before the person cometh into the world, or hath done good or evil. This is evidenced by Romans 9:11. Here you find twain in their mother’s womb, and both receiving their destiny, not only before they had done good or evil, but before they were in a capacity to do it, they being yet unborn—their destiny, I say, the one unto, the other not unto the blessing of eternal life; the one elect, the other reprobate; the one chosen, the other refused”. In his “Sighs from Hell”, John Bunyan also wrote: “They that do continue to reject and slight the Word of God are such, for the most part, as are ordained to be damned ”. Other adherants: Wycliffe, Huss, Ridley, Hooper, Cranmer, Ussher, John Trapp, Thomas Goodwin, Thomas Manton (Chaplain to Cromwell), John Owen, Witsius, John Gill (predecessor of Spurgeon), A.W. Pink and MARTIN LUTHER. |
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