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 3/10/08 7:54 PM |
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David Marshall wrote:
Leviticus would have to be the most neglected single book, then all of the Prophets, then all of the Old Testament. Most of the OT is ignored in these Dispensational days, apart from relevant prophecies (most of which have already been fulfilled). Because we now sing insipid subjective songs in church we no longer know the Psalms. Because we are becoming more and more antinomian, we no longer study the law of God. So many like to call themselves "NT Christians", not even knowing how inane that statement is. But this is the price for refusing to see the Bible as covenantally structured because of Dispy double vision. |
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| 3/10/08 12:34 AM |
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kenny wrote:
I understand exactly what you are saying and you are 100% correct. The problem is, this is the best church I have found and I have visited A LOT of churches. Most if not all of them have these same problems and worse. I didn't know the situation was so bad in the American churches. In Oz we have a lot of churches which have departed from the Scriptures. But there are always congregations who have a faithful leadership. I know we tend to stick to our own denomination but sometimes it is better to align yourself with a group who stands on the integrity of Scripture. |
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| 3/10/08 12:22 AM |
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Bernard wrote:
So the OT saints are not included in "the whole world", or "all men", "the ungodly" (prior to their believing)?
Did not Abraham believe on him that justified the ungodly? Was not his faith counted for righteousness? Bernard - you are talking to someone who is convinced that the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God are two distinct and seperate things, despite the overwhelming Scriptural evidence to the contrary. Arguing with a Dispy is like arguing with a child mate - a waste of time. They have a different Bible and a different idea of the gospel. |
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| 3/10/08 12:18 AM |
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Discerning Believer wrote:
The souls of the saved are in hell today awaiting the resurrection of their earthly bodies to be cast eternally in the Lake of Fire at the final judgment. I do hope you mean the UNsaved! |
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| 3/7/08 11:38 PM |
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John the Baptist wrote:
No option here for the Baptists.  Should be option, to baptise people.  You are slightly off the mark mate - we are to make disciples (ie Christians) first, through the preaching of the gospel. You don't just baptise people, all that does is get them wet. First, as adults anyway, they need the true baptism, which is conversion and all it entails. Then, according to the tradition of the Apostles, you can baptise their entire household - infants included. But to just go round baptising people is not kosher in the Christian sense of the term. |
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| 3/7/08 7:29 PM |
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JD wrote:
You seem to be a little confused. The subject is not the redemption of Christ, but the ministry of the Holy Spirt. And therein lies the root of your problem JD, for you CANNOT seperate the work of Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit. And that is why I brought Dispensationalism into the debate because that system of theology tends to seperate everything; Israel/Church, OT/NT etc. There is one people of God, elect from before the foundation of the world, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, who paid for ALL the sins of ALL His people from past to future. When the Triune God covenanted together to redeem a people, before the world was made, it was determined that the Son would pay the penalty and the Spirit would apply that to the people of God. Because of your dispensational Arminianism you are blind to this truth. You think you take the Bible literally. I wish to God you would. I wish you would take it as one Book, the Word of One God to One people. Stop making divisions that do not exist and which the Bible clearly states do not exist. You think we are frustrating - mate, you have no idea what frustration is till you see it from our end. One God, One Covenant, One People, One way of salvation. AMEN! |
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| 3/6/08 11:02 PM |
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JD wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have read your comments and think I can safely say that each of you have rejected my instruction to you.My heart really goes out to you folks and I am going to try to be super kind to you because it is obvious by your words that you have an inability to grasp the simple truths that are so obvious to me and those like me. Maybe we can help! What we have JD, is not an inability to understand you or be instructed by you, but an ability to discern truth from error and dispensationalism is the height of error. It was designed and espoused by uneducated and uninstructed people and only survived because one of them had the arrogance to publish his own version of the Bible with his own ideas interspersed in it. You think because you have this Bible you have the right to instruct others, and you come across with the same arrogance as those who went before you where you really believe that when you speak everyone else should listen to you and that when you have had your say the debate is over. When you take the great men of God from Calvin to Krabbendam and stack them up against the so-called dispensationalist theologians and fairy-tale spinners it is like comparing peacocks with sparrows. Sorry JD, but you haven't won anything. |
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| 3/6/08 5:41 PM |
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DJC49 wrote:
The Kingdom of God had not yet come, however, Jesus speaks about it as if it already IS. This also shows how JD's hermeneutic is skewed. Isaiah talks about the suffering Messiah in the past tense; "He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, He was wounded, we are healed" etc. All in the past tense, yet he is talking about an even that is many centuries into the future. But then again, what would he know. He wasn't a real believer because he wasn't a son of God and wasn't regenerated, justified or sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Same with Jeremiah whom God knew (loved) and (OOPS) sanctified before he was born. Sounds a bit like John the Baptist who was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb. Abraham who was the friend of God and David who was a man after God's own heart. Yet none of these knew the regenerating, justifying and sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit of God? Oh, but the Holy Spirit wasn't there yet - which is why the unregenerate Jews found it so hard to resist Him (John 7:51).
Give up the Dispenconfusionism JD - It will make the Bible a lot clearer and easier to understand. It is covenantal in nature and construct and if you miss that you miss most of what the it teaches - as you obviously do now. |
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| 3/5/08 6:52 PM |
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JD wrote:
Regeneration is a doctrine that is imtimately associated and connected with the Holy Spirit of God. To receive the Holy Spirit is to receive life. God is life! The Holy Spirit is God! He is eternal and he is eternal life.
Men are dead, spiritually, because of their sins, meaning they are separated from God.It does not mean the soul is in any way like a dead body. They are quickened, made alive, by the Spirit in the same way that Jesus Christ was made alive by the Spirit. Almost correct JD, well done. But dead is dead like a corpse and means unable to do anything for yourself. Natural man, dead in sin, hates God and cannot discern spiritual things; cannot see, hear or understand and does not care about sin or salvation. FIRST he must be made alive, ie, regenerated and only THEN can He see his own sinfulness and flee to Jesus. Before then the sinner couldn't care less, in fact, he hates Jesus. But you would have a man who hates Jesus and can't even see spiritual things or recognise his own condition, flee to Jesus to be regenerated. But then Dispensationalism has always been good at inverting the Bible to make it say the opposite of what it means to say. Dead means dead mate, kaput, finito, devoid of life, ceased to be until regeneration. |
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| 3/5/08 6:45 PM |
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JD wrote:
[Paragraph deleted lest it be too inflammatory]
How can anyone deal with all those contradictions?
Actions pre-ordered by God?
Free actions of men are predestined?
Both free and predestined???? You have a problem with contradictions JD? How can you then believe in the Trinity? The word does not come out of the Bible and the doctrine talks about 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 and all 3 are God. How can you believe in Jesus, God and man together, 100% of both. I can't understand how you can put up with all the ridiculous contradictions of Scofield's heresies, but you seem to have no problem with them either. But you can't understand how Almighty God, for whom nothing is too hard and who does as He pleases in all things, can't accomplish His will and purpose when man's free will stands in the way. Mmm, that is a curly one.
Can you not see that when you buy something, it is the buyer who chooses, not the item? That when you redeem something, you can only redeem that which is yours to redeem? That is what the whole book of Ruth was about, how only a near kinsman could redeem someone. Christ is our near kinsman. He bought the church. But you think He paid for all and only got a handful? He redeemed all but only saved a few? Is He such a loser to you? |
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| 3/4/08 10:14 PM |
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Discerning Believer wrote:
That sounds more like synergism to me.
What happened to God's sovereignty? Isn't He capable of transforming the lives of His people by His power. Isn't the same Holy Spirit that guides the pastors and teachers the same Holy Spirit that indwells and resides in the believer. The Holy Spirit uses the Word of God to convert people; but how shall they hear without a preacher? Do you deny the human authorship of Scripture? Do you deny the 100% human nature of Christ? That is not synergism, that is Biblical orthodoxy. I think you need to be more discerning mate. |
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| 3/4/08 9:11 PM |
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JD wrote:
I try to have a conversation with you Jago, and you get silly. One was the baptizer, the other the baptizee. Get with the program! sorry JD but you are the one who is getting silly. You try to prove immersion from the fact that Phillip and the Eunuch went down in the water and came up out of the water. If this is true then they must have both been immersed. All the text proves is the scientific fact that water is always down and you cannot stand on top of it. You must go down to the water and you must go into the water - even if it is only 2 inches deep. The text does not prove immersion, and to infer that it does is silly. Sorry mate - Jago is 100% correct. And you still have not answered the Hebrews 9 problem. Immersion is not Scriptural - it goes against all the Bible teaches about cleansing and purification. |
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3/10/08 7:49 PM
