Mike wrote:
Poor us. We get what we ask for, but haven't figured that out yet.

Todays "Democracy" appears to be
Political Anarchy
Social Anarchy
Moral Anarchy.

Todays religion is.
Religious Anarchy.
Or to put it another way
Spiritually Bankrupt.

Authority in our societies institutions become more and more Liberal, hence no government, - bureaucracy instead, no justice, - crime is not punished because the law is feeble, - education is dumbing down, exams/tests become facile.

And since all authority comes from God, then what is missing in western society is God!!

What is killing the modern protestant church is not the antichrist in Rome, - but one that is closer to home.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Why?............

to pick and chooose verses they can use to support their own theology......

I thought you had told us you'd LEFT the RCC, - this would indicate you have one foot still in their dogma.

God said....
Jo 6.37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
AND
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
AND
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

You can't get more sovereign than that Michael.

=BEFORE
Eph 2.12 That at that time ye were WITHOUT Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS from the covenants of promise, having NO HOPE, and WITHOUT God in the world:

Michael Hranek wrote:
How can they CALL UPON HIM whom they have not believed? There you go man is totally unable to call upon Him in whom he has not believed BUT WAIT there is more!
And how can they BELIEVE IN HIM in

Thus continuing
Elijah pleads...
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

God responds....
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? **I HAVE RESERVED** to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Thus Paul states.....
5 Even so then at this **PRESENT TIME ALSO** there is a remnant according to **THE ELECTION OF GRACE**

so....
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; BUT THE ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT, and the rest were BLINDED.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.

Michael; this is the continuation of chapter 10, Paul is still teaching, - **NOTE how he teaches the "Sovereignty" of God over election unto Salvation.

jago wrote:
I think I'm beginning to understand. Biblical Fundamentalism is the term you use if you do not hold all the points of armenianism or all of the points of calvinism. Yet people with this theology cherry pick the points of each belief that they like.
Am I correct?

[URL=http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/FundyReform.html]]]Fundamentalism vs Reformed[/URL]

or

"And it is no less true also, on the other hand, as unbelief works in men a disesteem of the person and
righteousness of Christ, they are cast inevitably to seek for countenance unto their own consciences in the extenuation of sin."(Owen)

Canada appears to have a problem not only with "human rights" but also the definition of justice and the definition of definition!!!

I wonder if Bin Laden will read this and become disenchanted and give up?

A Tertullianist wrote:
Surely John Calvin's Theology need not be "Reformed"; unless you are speaking of Calvin's Rabid Racism/Anti-Semitism/Anti-Christian-NonConformity & Anti-Christian/Anti-Jewish Augustinianism

rogerant wrote:
There is a slight distinction between the Reformed Arminian view and the Wesleyan Arminian view in respect to Wesley's view of Wesleyan Perfection in sanctification.

A Tertullianist wrote:
GG and Minnow may appear on these threads to be foes on different poles:
But in REALITY They are Theological "Kissing Cousins" !
It has been the Historic INFLUENCE of Tertullian-Montanist & Biblical-Literalist Theology (ala Wycliffian Lollardism); that has been a GOD-Given HOLY-SPIRITual RESTRAINT to "Reformed" & Augustinian-........

It always amazes me how these, - ""not allowed to quote the denomination"" - rewrite history in the belief that it supports their recently invented denomination.
Ecclesiastical history actually isn't that complicated, until you introduce the hypothesis and conjecture of the rewriters.

It is good to know that the Holy Spirit guides the Elect into all truth.

2Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto FABLES.

Scotlandthebrave wrote:
'Even in the Reformed Church we must expect tares among the wheat. How else might Satan obstruct the True Church?'
Would that mean then Minnow that Dr Beeke and Murray then are 'tares' and lost?
Didn't A W Pink believe in a future antichrist? BTW I believe the papacy is the Antichrist.

Ref messrs Beeke/Murray....
Please note that generalisations do not include specifics.

Dennis wrote:
Does anyone know in Schotland who the Antichrist is ? According to Dr. Beeke the reformers TO THE MAN said the pope of Rome was THE antichrist. However Dr. Beeke and Dr. David Murray (former minister Free Church of Scotland Continuing) believe in a future antichrist. No wonder that God in His Providence has been destroying al this unfaithfulness and backsliding, and still with so much apostacy the so called reformed and presbyterian do not repent or start cleaning their own house before going out laying burdens on others they do not carry themselves !
Revelation 18v4 KJV

The "Papacy" - not the pope is the antichrist. But of course this indicates that the current incumbent is serving in the role.

As for the, quote, "reformed and presbyterian" - As Paul states
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. **For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:**

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Anyone for perfection???

And a couple of God's Proverbs....

jago wrote:
A few days ago I asked someone, anyone who knows to list the basic differences between the first three answers.
How does someone who says he is a biblical fundamentalist differ from a calvinist and from an arminian?
1019 people have made the distinction.

Mike wrote:
Is there a Reformed definition of sovereignty that differs from the common definition?

A] Monergism site has this list....

God is sovereign over the entire universe: Ps 103:19; Rom 8:28; Eph 1:11
God is sovereign over all of nature: Ps 135:6-7; Mt 5:45; 6:25-30
God is sovereign over angels & Satan: Ps 103:20-21; Job 1:12
God is sovereign over nations: Ps 47:7-9; Dan 2:20-21; 4:34-35
God is sovereign over human beings: 1 Sam 2:6-7; Gal 1:15-16
God is sovereign over animals: Ps 104:21-30; 1 Ki 17:4-6
God is sovereign over "accidents": Pr 16:33; Jon 1:7; Mt 10:29
God is sovereign over free acts of men: Ex 3:21; 12:25-36; Ez 7:27
God is sovereign over sinful acts of men and Satan: 2 Sam 24:1; 1 Chr 21:1; Gen 45:5; 50:20

B] As adjective in Dictionary.com

5. belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereignty; royal.
6. having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7. supreme; preeminent; indisputable:
8. greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9. being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.
10. efficacious; potent:

A Tertullianist wrote:
Minnow & others are probably ignorant of These Historic FACTS:

Mike wrote:
Good verses, but what do they have to do with sovereignty?

"Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Psalm 29:4 The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty.

Psalm 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

BTW SermonAudio
The article this links too is
"IN THE MILITARY
Marine investigated for handing out Gospel coin"