Alan H wrote:
For those who are seriously interested in studying the issue I would highly recommend the link below. This is a PDF file; very large, but well worth the effort.
[URL=http://www.lgmarshall.org/Reformed/buchanan_justification.pdf]]]The Doctrine of Justification James Buchanan, D.D.[/URL]

What by the baby or the parents???

Jim
Since you are always supplying us with the links I thought I'd take a page out of your book and provide this for you.

JD wrote:
I want to be kind here minnow but you cannot fake wisdom and understanding. That means your attempt at exposition in your last post was, er.. I don't want to use the term silly, so I will just say it was uh ...revealing. It does however boggle my mind that language makes no more sense to you.....

Romans chapter eleven is a means of perceiving and observing how the Lord works in saving His Elect. That method is perfect today and always has been (OT).

Now the problem of your dispi-theories, means that your way of looking at God's specific mode in election is changed in time, thus limiting God within His creation.

Remember here we are observing the work of God - not man. Here again we identify your arminian/fw philosophy at work. God "elected" before the foundation of the world, as He explains in Eph 1:4/5. and as Peter refers to in 1Peter 1:2.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Matthew 10
32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

NOT

Confessing the ROCK that is a "baptism mode" iaw your denomination.

Lance Eccles wrote:
But as a Catholic, I also believe in the efficacy of holy relics. I certainly hope that I can get to Sydney to pray before the body of Blessed Pier Giorgio Frassati when it arrives for World Youth Day.
I have every confidence that he will intercede with God for me.

I really hope and pray that you become a real Christian one day and receive the Truth by the Holy Spirit.

13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, Minnow, Baptists don't believe in infant baptism such as Reformed, Catholic or for that matter,.......of the Lutherans...........

So, a lot of Southern Baptists believe t is an ordinance that adults who are believers should do as a public testimony of their belief, infant baptism is meaningless, as again I can point out

Wots d' "public" go to do wif it???
ats wot oi wants t' know me ole mate? Come t' fink of it wots Lex Luthor got to do wif it also.

Emphasis on "blind" sadly.

A TAX on the superstitions of the Roman Catholics. Mammon demands money for iconolatry. This type of idolatrous profit is a starkly rediculous form of milking the poor and the wealthy superstitious and ignorant.

Quote....
"Her typical customer is male, single, middle-class and gay."

You can't force God behind closed doors, HE will continue to make HIS presence known and statement to the entire world, thus does HE continue to destroy the abominations of men whether carnal or worldly.

Interesting to note how Satan's forces are running scared of the Word of God.

18 "For the wrath of God **IS REVEALED** from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves"

JD wrote:
with Israel in ralation to what is transpiring in this age

JD wrote:
However, you will notice if you dig any depth at all that all were justified by faith and not by some sort of false election and most of "chosen" Israel throughout her history was not saved at all.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

JD wrote:
What? You have a very twisted view of God.

Can you point to the verses in the OT which provide the name of the other "man" chosen and the other "nation" chosen.

As to my question on God's perspective on election. I will assume that one was too difficult for you. Or is this because you and the arminian/free will types, require salvation by works to run all the way back to Abraham?

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose OF GOD according TO ELECTION might stand, *NOT* of works, but of him that calleth)

15 For he saith to Moses, I(GOD) will have mercy on whom I(GOD) will have mercy, and I(GOD) will have compassion on whom I(GOD) will have compassion.

21 Hath not the potter(GOD) power over the clay(man), of the same lump to make one vessel(man) unto honour, and another(man) unto dishonour?

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works

JD wrote:
God says that the Lord Jesus died for the ungodly, the world, everyone, sinners, every man, all men,

However;
Clearly from the OT, we observe that God chose one man, Abraham, one nation, Israel. The reality of this is that the rest of mankind back then were destined for hell.

PILUT wrote:
"Baptist" has nothing to do with it! There are many Fundamental Baptist Churches out there that are growing and fervently preaching the Gospel.
Minnow - you're right....LIBERALISM.
As for the quote - this is not how TRUE Baptists believe, as history will also support. Yes, we are priests and kings unto God, but we do not interpret the Bible on our own terms, NOR is it on the terms of a board or Confession. I think the quote could have been worded a little better than it was. And, the SBC does not represent true Baptist Churches.
Oh...Calvinists interpret the Bible their own way also.

JD wrote:
.....it will not change the fact that a gospel that says God cannot save sinners by the word of God is a false gospel whether it is preached by

....it was one of the first Baptist churches to break with the conservative Southern Baptist Convention when the convention decreed that women should submit to their husbands and forbade them to serve on the altar. Then Baptist Temple called a woman to serve as its head pastor."

Oh a "LIBERAL" church now I see what the problem is.

They want to change their name to draw in the flocks? I guess the Lord is not involved in that area.

How about "The UnBiblical sin if you want to, Liberal church"
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And this is a great statement for you Baptists out there, quote,

"Baptists have no church hierarchy. Each church is supremely autonomous and self-supporting. And all people, they believe, have not only the freedom but the responsibility to interpret the Bible as it speaks to them and to seek God on their own terms."

Everything is going to the "LIBERAL" anti-Biblical, heretical, UNorthodox left. Social gospel instead of the Word of God. Removal of the law that abominations become legal. Modern ideologies in lieu of Bible doctrines.
These people are not real Christians.
The reason why they gain prominence is because the true Church declines.

Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Proverbs 29:16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but the righteous shall see their fall.

And don't forget the warning.....

The Hebrew word "Barak" means = To give reverence to God in adoration, to bow and to kneel before Him.

Mike wrote:
Amen, Minnow. We certainly can agree on our miserable state.