Michael Hranek wrote:
So do some very "religious" people refuse to tell sinners God loves because in the hidden part of them even in the context of their inexcuseable sin against God and their desperate need to repent and be saved by Godtheir hearts (which are of course deceitful above all things and desperately wicked) they really don't want the lost to repent and be saved by God? Because if a sinner knows he or she has sinned against One who has loved them and has never done them wrong the Holy Spirit might use this realization to break their heart in godly sorrow.

JD wrote:
Mike from New York has tried to point out to you that God is applying the types that these two brothers reprersent

JD wrote, "Your theology is blinding you to truth!"

JD wrote:
I am going to believe what he clearly said. That is, "For God so loved the world

God said 'hate' NOT 'love less'! As you stated, there is no safety in modifying the word of God!

It does reference individuals as you can read in Malachi as Esau was said to be Jacob’s brother (an individual not a nation) whom the Lord said he hated. It was because the Lord hated Esau that He laid his mountains and heritage waste.

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? WAS NOT ESAU Jacob's BROTHER? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid HIS mountains and HIS heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
(Mal 1:2-3)

Mike wrote, “The hate cited in Romans 9:13 is from Malachi 1:2,3, writen long after Jacob and Esau were dead.”

It may have been written long after Jacob and Esau were dead but God tells us in Romans 9:11 that it was before they were born that He loved Jacob and hated Esau!

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
(Rom 9:11)

Mike wrote, “Extra: Though the Lord hated Edom as a nation, there were still some believers there. (Amos9:12)”

Pastor Eric C. Maynard wrote:
Romans 5:8 and John 3:16 are pretty clear, are they not?

Written to saints,

To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
(Rom 1:7)

But God commendeth HIS LOVE TOWARD US, in that, while we were yet sinners, CHRIST DIED FOR US ….
(Rom 5:8)

Written to the Beloved,

1 John 4:9-10 tells us who the world is in John 3:16

In this was manifested the LOVE OF GOD TOWARD US, because that God sent HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON into the world, that WE might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that HE LOVED US, and SENT HIS SON to be the propitiation for OUR SINS.
(1Jn 4:9-10)

For God so LOVED THE WORLD, that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON…(Joh 3:16)

JD wrote:
Read the text. I am amazed at men as intelligent as some of you cannot read spiritual truth.
Being conformed to the image of Christ as per Rom 8:29 is the same exact context as Ep 1. To be conformed to this image requires a glorified body. That is what Jesus Christ had after his resurrection. He was soul, Spirit and "glorified" body. This will take place at the resurrection and translation of the body.

Moreover whom HE DID PREDESTINATE, THEM HE ALSO CALLED: AND WHOM HE CALLED, THEM HE ALSO JUSTIFIED: and WHOM HE JUSTIFIED, them HE ALSO GLORIFIED (Rom 8:30)

You still did not answer my question.

Some on here believe(maybe you too)that FOREKNOW means God knew beforehand which sinners would believe and on the basis of this knowledge He predestined them unto salvation.

Mike wrote:
And if a sinner asks, "Why does God want to save?"- What would you tell him is God's motive?

Bill Bailey wrote:
But remember this sinner is invisible to human perception. Therefore in proclaiming the love of God publically, you would offer it to remnant and reprobate alike, (which already happens in church) thereby would your attempt to add an adjective be made irrelevant.

God does not love everyone so how do you justify telling everyone that He does?

adjective wrote:
NB...No adjective.
No preconditions.

The character of the persons invited: all that labor and are heavy laden. This is a word in season to him that is weary… of the burden of sin, both the guilt and the power of it. All those, and those only, are invited to rest in Christ that are sensible of sin as a burden and groan under it, that are not only convicted of the evil of sin – their own sin – but are contrite in soul for it; that are really sick of sin, weary of the service of the world and the flesh…as the prodigal (Luke 15:17), the publican (Luke 18:13), Peter’s hearers (Acts 2:37), Paul (Acts 9), the jailor (Acts 16:29-30). This is a necessary preparative for pardon and peace (Matthew Henry).

Minnow wrote:
1] You posed the question below,
"In evangelizing should it also be told to everyone that Christ died for them?"
After being negative about sharing God's love - I assumed you didn't want to share this either.

Minnow wrote:
God Be with you.

Minnow wrote:
After being negative about sharing God's love - I assumed you didn't want to share this either.

2.I did not state that sinners will become worse but complacent!

Martyn Lloyd Jones states it very well:

"So it is quite clear that the idea that love and wrath are incompatible is a complete denial of the plain teaching of the Scriptures. Indeed I would go so far as to say that unless we start with this idea of the wrath of God against sin we cannot possibly understand the compassion of God, we cannot understand the love of God. It is only as I realise God's wrath against sin that I realise the full significance of His providing a way of salvation from it. If I do not understand this I do not understand that, and my talk about the love of God is mere loose sentimentality which is indeed a denial of the great biblical doctrine of the love of God."

Minnow wrote:
Do YOU not tell people about the Cross?

Of course I tell others of the Cross but I never tell them that God loves them as I said before I do not know who God loves.

Minnow wrote, “The suggestion that if you tell “sinners” that God loves them, that they will become worse sinners is ridiculous.”

Who suggested that? I truly do not know where you got that idea!

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is GIVEN UNTO US.(Rom 5:5)

“…It is the gracious work of the blessed Spirit to shed abroad the love of God in the hearts of all the saints. A right sense of God's love to us, will make us not ashamed, either of our hope, or of our sufferings for him.” MH

I asked you a question before but you never answered so I will repost it.

Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God loves less.

Minnow wrote:
Do you believe that you can control/direct God's love?

I do not understand your hostility!

Minnow wrote, “I leave it at the point of God making His own decision about "whom" His love is delivered to.”

No you don’t leave it at the point of God making His own decision about whom His love is delivered to as you believe YOU CAN tell everyone without exception that God loves them even though you really know God does not love everyone and that the Scriptures don’t teach that He does!

Minnow wrote:
But if you want to keep it a secret dont let me stop you.

1. No he doesn't!

2. Why would anyone tell a sinner he cannot be saved unless he was chosen before the world began as we don’t know who they are, ONLY GOD DOES and He will call that one by His Spirit and His Word! Don’t you believe what the bible says, that the elect are chosen before the foundation of the world? I think it was you that said that God foresaw who would believe and that is why one is chosen before the foundation of the world. So if God foresaw who would believe He must have foreseen who would not believe therefore would you tell that sinner that he cannot be saved because God foresaw that he would not believe?

3. Of course the elect will flee from the wrath to come as the Holy Spirit has shown them what great sinners they are and of their great need to fly to Christ! They will repent and believe the Gospel of the Lord Jesus by the preached Word.