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 12/17/08 9:27 AM |
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"But further, Christ chooses his own from the beginning; 2 Thess. 2:13: "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren, beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth," Eph. 1:4, "According as he had chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." So, brethren, it was before the foundation of the world that Christ chose his own; when there was neither sun not moon; when there was neither sea nor land — it was from the beginning. Ah, he might well say, you have not chosen me. It was before man loved man, or angel loved angel, that Christ chose his own. Now, I know the meaning of Paul when he says, That you may be able to know the length and breadth, the height and the depth of the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge. Now, I am not surprised at the death of Christ! It was a love so great that it broke over the banks that held it in; a love that broke over a Calvary and a Gethsemane. O brethren! do you know this love?"
(Robert Murray M'Cheyne) |
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| 12/16/08 6:25 PM |
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John UK wrote:
Are you a member of this cult? John UK
It would appear you have sought a way to attack me personally. So be it. If that is the way of you, then I end this discussion.Finally, You have stated in your post below that God does not hate Esau. Romans 9:13 states quote
"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
TAKEN FROM
Mal 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 **AND I HATED ESAU,** and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. This suggests that you will not receive the simple truth as recorded in Scripture. Therefore you seek to mollify God into a human idol, presumably trying to assuage human emotions. May God bring you into the whole counsel of God. |
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| 12/16/08 4:33 PM |
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John UK wrote:
a] If you go on a couple of verses from Gal 5:17 to Gal 5:19, you will see there how God defines the 'works of the flesh', the seventh of which is 'hatred'.b] Go on to Gal 5:22, and you see compared the 'fruit of the Spirit'. The first of which is 'love' and nowhere do you find 'hatred'. c] I sincerely hope you are not saying that God has a sinful nature. a] Thats right! There are TWO alternatives especially in God's creation, whereby HE provides the results of HIS love grace mercy etc, - AND the alternative which Satan his forces and sin can produce.b] The Spirit produces love, - NOT man in his iniquity. c] What I am saying is that God can and does use the attribute of hate. YOU yourself implied this since you stated HE hates sin. What we have been discussing is illustrated by the verses of psalm 10 and other places, that is GOD can hate. AND this then means that HE does not "love" at the same time. [URL=http://livingtheway.org/43things.html]]]43 Things which God hates[/URL] NOW John UK;
Rom 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
= Does GOD hate Esau? - OR does the Bible LIE here??? |
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| 12/16/08 3:38 PM |
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John UK wrote:
a] a verse or two from the Old Testament showing that God 'abhorreth' certain, including,.....who are covetous.
But, brother, there are many persons converted who were once covetous. b] The only solution to the dilemma is that God hates no-one, but is vehemently and judgmentally angry with sin. a] The discussion was never about the "Elect" alone (converted) - but also about those who are NOT saved, the reprobate/wicked etc.The verse from Psalm 10 includes...
1 Why standest thou afar off, O LORD? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?
2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.
4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts." This illustrates the reality that there are MANY who are NOT Elect/saved. And clearly shows that GOD has "hate" for some people. That is what "abhorreth" means. b] "God hates no-one" = NOT True! the Bible teaches otherwise.
As for separating the sinner from sin/sins - that is implying NO responsibility to sins committed. Gal 5:17ff refers. |
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| 12/16/08 2:45 PM |
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Mike wrote:
a] Don't recall saying God *HAS TO* love the reprobate. b] Re: double standard: ....
honor your father and mother,
......hate his father, and mother c] Re: wrath: It comes.... d] Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world.... a] My reason for asking was based on your previous reply; viz "an act of love" - (that is - a *product* of God's love).....(tree planting) etc.
Adam disobeyed to "engage" with sin - But the tree had obviously been planted by God for an end purpose in mind. Two ways = ultimately either salvation or damnation!b] Double standard. = The command to honor - I see as a different debate to Jesus injunction to "hate" compared with "loving" Jesus Himself. Surely HE refers here to depth of commitment. c] wrath = Your quote "unbelief" eoq. Yes! BUT does God love children of wrath. Is this the "same" love the believers share? Again I reiterate what makes the difference to God? d] Christ paid for the sins of the elect only. God does not charge twice for the same crimes.
The unsaved pay for their own ticket to hell.
_____________ John UK. I feel your missing the point John. Don't really know where you're coming from in that post (7:14PM). Sorry. |
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| 12/15/08 4:20 PM |
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Mike wrote:
Yes, an act of love. Love for God by man requires that He be loved voluntarily, else it could not be love. Do you think God will force man to love Him? Adam did not sin because the tree was planted, but because he disobeyed. It is not the end result of the planting that some go to damnation, but the end result of unbelief and unrepentance. Why do you believe that God *HAS TO* love the "reprobate"?We know from the references to hate/abhor in Scripture that God has these as attributes. How then would HE use them? Would you suggest that God loves/hates at the same time? Is that not a double standard?
The wrath to come - This wrath do you believe it comes upon those which God loves? For example does the Lord also love these people at the same time as abhor them........
Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth. Ro 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Did God also love Esau? |
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| 12/15/08 6:34 AM |
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Mike wrote:
The former, John. I said 'might be' to tweak those who do not believe it is an act of love to the whole world. Mike
Do you consider the planting of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, an act of love, "both ways?"
By that I mean that the end result in that planting, meant that some went to heaven and some to eternal damnation.
This would imply that God's love "equally" sends mortals to hell as well as to paradise. This being so what influences the divine choice of the two? The works of man? |
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| 12/3/08 7:02 PM |
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WCF 9/3. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation;[a] so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good,[b] and dead in sin,[c] is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.[d][a] John 15:5; Rom 5:6; 8:7.
[b] Rom 3:10, 12.
[c] Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13.
[d] John 6:44, 65; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:2-5; Titus 3:3-5. Wesley did not have the grace to receive this Biblical truth. |
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| 11/28/08 9:42 AM |
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Neil wrote:
It certainly is more evocative of the "washing of regeneration" than the palmful of water that I've seen Presbys use. One can't even wash the hands with that amount! How much water do you require for a sign? |
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12/1/08 6:14 PM
