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 4/23/09 11:42 AM |
| wye | | wheredidallthedisciplego | |  |  |
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DJC49-good links-also'During ten years, hundreds, and perhaps thousands, were annually reported to be converted on all hands; but now it is admitted, that real converts are comparatively few. It is declared, even by [Finney] himself, that "the great body of them are a disgrace to religion" [cited in Warfield, 2:23].
B. B. Warfield cited the testimony of Asa Mahan Finney's close associates,
. . who tells us—to put it briefly—that everyone who was concerned in these revivals suffered a sad subsequent lapse: the people were left like a dead coal which could not be reignited; the pastors were shorn of all their spiritual power; and the evangelists—"among them all," he says, "and I was personally acquainted with nearly every one of them—I cannot recall a single man, brother Finney and father Nash excepted, who did not after a few years lose his unction, and become equally disqualified for the office of evangelist and that of pastor."
Thus the great "Western Revivals" ran out into disaster. . . . Over and over again, when he proposed to revisit one of the churches, delegations were sent him or other means used, to prevent what was thought of as an affliction. . . . Even after a generation had passed by, these burnt children had no liking for the fire [Warfield, 2:26-28]. |
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| 4/23/09 10:43 AM |
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Mr T Lopez-CisnerosHow much do you know about the jesuits as you continually refer to them so give appearance of some expertise? So may I ask a simple question: What is your opinion of the following quote and how does it stack up with your support of Charles Finney? (Also Finney was an Historicist) "During the Arminian regime of Archbishop Laud, the persecutor of the Puritans and the Covenanters, zealous Arminians were promoted to the best bishoprics. A famous letter written by a Jesuit to the Rector of Brussels and endorsed by Laud himself was found in his study at Lambeth. A copy of this letter was found among the papers of a society of priests and Jesuits at Clerkenwell in 1627. The following is an extract: 'Now we have planted the Sovereign Drug Arminianism which we hope will purge the Protestants from their heresy; and it flourisheth and beareth fruit in due season… I am at this time transported with joy to see how happily all instruments and means, as well as great or smaller, cooperate with our purposes. But to return to the main fabric: OUR FOUNDATION IS ARMINIANISM.' also your view of:
the Jesuits Bellarmine and Ribera, Alcazar and Bossuet and what do you think the Reformers view of Antichrist was in comparison? Thank you  |
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 4/23/09 8:49 AM |
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'never realised Charles Wesley held to such strange doctrines, but then I suppose when Reformed men compiled their hymnbooks, they picked only hymns by the brothers which were doctrinally neutral. (Dodgy, eh?)'Good point John. I wonder why there are so few excellent hymn writers today-I don't mean the repetetive modern choruses! There seems to be a multitude of christian pop songs where the style and instruments etc. are influenced by the world, only the lyrics resemble something christian-you wouldn't know though unless you listen to most of them carefully for often they simply replicate the world's pop culture almost exactly from rap to country music to rock. [URL=http://www.cprf.co.uk/articles/freepresbyterianhymnal.htm]]]Free Pres hymn bookl[/URL] The above link has an interesting look at the Free Pres Church of Ulster hymn book and it came as a bit of a shock. Have a look. I am not criticising that church nor am I exclusive psalmody-but it does make you consider that there is a safe refuge in the book of psalms in our worship rather than even the best of reformed men chosing the hymns?? |
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