DJC49 wrote:
Strange.
But the only one who added ANYTHING to the Word was YOU, Mr. Cure, when you added: "to an arbitrary few" to "given."
You complain of others setting up "strawmen" all the time, but have absolutely NO compunction about doing the same yourself.
_______________
Matthew 22:14 KJV: "For many are called, but few [are] chosen."

There are only two ways you can get John 6:65 to teach unconditional election: (1) Redefine "given" or (2) add your ideas to the text.

Unfortunately, John 6:65 does not state "given to an arbitrary few" or anything else of the like.

If anything what John 6:65 state and what the Calvinist would like it to state are two different things.

The gunman had no choice. God predetermined him to go out there and massacre all those people.

I believe God is sovereign in his word. Do you?

The dehhvastating truth is that the Calvinist version of the sovereignty of God is one big knotted up ball of self contradiction.

They want to call it a mystery thinking that it would cover the obvious, but the fact is that their is a big difference between a mystery and a contradiction.

A mystery is a fact to which we do not know of the process. For example: God works all things together for good to them that love him. Their is no contradiction there. God is able to use both evil and good to accomplish his purpose. Although, we may not know how he does it, their is no conflict in stating that he does.

A Contradiction is stating to opposing facts. For example: The Calvinist states that God has predestined every thing in life but he is not responsible for the sin. This is an outright contradiction. If God predestined all things, then He also predestined sin (this the Calvinist has no problem with) which also makes him responsible for it.

Ha! Cute.

Maybe that's why he likes to pontificate rather than to sincerely discuss the Scriptures.

What the Bible states and what the elitist Calvinist want to get at are "worlds" apart.

The dehhvastating truth is that the Calvinist version of the sovereignty of God is one big knotted up ball of self contradiction.

They want to call it a mystery thinking that it would cover the obvious, but the fact is that their is a big difference between a mystery and a contradiction.

A mystery is a fact to which we do not know of the process. For example: God works all things together for good to them that love him. Their is no contradiction there. God is able to use both evil and good to accomplish his purpose. Although, we may not know how he does it, their is no conflict in stating that he does.

A Contradiction is stating to opposing facts. For example: The Calvinist states that God has predestined every thing in life but he is not responsible for the sin. This is an outright contradiction. If God predestined all things, then He also predestined sin (this the Calvinist has no problem with) which also makes him responsible for it.

Icon O'Clast wrote:
What you believe is irrelevant.

The difference between "broccoli" and the other definitions proposes is that "world" is never translated as "broccoli". Just like it never is translated as "the elect."

Yes. He has been told.

The immediate context is definitely talking about "an age" in Matthew 28:20.

Nevertheless, whether it means the physical world or "ages" in Hebrews 1:2; God created them both. So I do not see what the problem is.

When a theology like Calvinism is propagated by state enforcement, of course it will take a while for people to feel comfortable in rejecting it. That's why Calvinism has died. When people are free to think for themselves they realize how absurd certain theologies like Calvinism really are.

I can lay down my head tonight and know that if I do my part with much prayer and witnessing that my unsaved family can be saved; that the Word of God will not return to me void; that God desires them to be saved even more than me.

What the Bible states and what the elitist Calvinist want to get at are "worlds" apart.

Like an elitist, they demand everyone to answer their questions but never dare to offer a rebuttal.
___________________________________________

It's interesting how the Calvinist wants to fabricate a definition of "world" that does not exist in any dictionary in the world but when a valid definition is given like "age" they have a problem with it.

I and another pastor were discussing about how many times do the vendors have to come in before someone in the church stops to preach to them Jesus.

Well, the mailman got saved today!

Amen!

DJC49 wrote:
Don't BOTH verses speak of the perpetuity of the Church? Don't BOTH verses affirm that the Church will FOREVER have a physical presence on earth -- no gaps?