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USER COMMENTS BY “ DISCERNED BELIEVER ”
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Survey2/13/07 3:39 PM
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Predestination,

Depends on your interpretation of boasting.

When you are asked if you "trusted" in the saving grace of Christ after you heard the gospel and was convicted by the Holy Ghost and "believed" that Christ paid the sin debt that you rightfully owed and deserved, how would you respond?

Would you say, yes I believed and trusted in the gospel of God's saving grace?

Is that boasting?


News Item2/12/07 2:38 PM
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How many gluttons get on the road and kill people?

How many drunks get on the road and kill people?

(1 Cor. 6:19-20)
"19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s."


Survey2/11/07 10:47 AM
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Walt,

It is good to see you back.

What part to you disagree with?

1. That the term "received" in John 1:12 is in the active voice and not passive.

2. That Calvinist teach that one does not chose to receive Christ when he hears the gospel through the Holy Spirit.


Survey2/11/07 8:54 AM
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Is not God capable of converting goats into sheep.

(2 Cor. 5:17)
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a *** new creature: *** old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Secondly, what does it mean to come to me (Christ).

Thirdly, what do we mean by "draw him".

The point I was trying to make in regards to the word "receive" is that the Calvinist position is that one does not have to accept Christ or choose Christ to be saved. That would be true if the word was used in the passive voice, but it is in the active voice.

The free gift of God's grace, in this case, must be excepted by the receiver to be effectual. The Calvinist disagree and calls this free-will works salvation.


Survey2/10/07 11:53 PM
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Kestrel, Lurker,

Something interesting to note.

John 1:12 reads,
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

The Greek word for the verb "receive" is 'elabon' and is in the aorist tense, active voice and indicative mood.

Which simply means that the subject (But as many) performs, produces, or experiences the action (received) or exists in the state expressed by the verb.

Whereas if it was in the passive voice the subject (But as many) is acted upon or receives the action expressed by the verb. No volition - nor even necessarily awareness of the action - is implied on the part of the subject. That is, the subject may or may not be aware, its volition may or may not be involved.

Source: http://www.bcbsr.com/greek/grklnk.html

So, in other words, the word received, in this passage, means to take or to get hold of. The verse could read:

"But as many as taken hold of him or to have accepted him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

It didn't say that he gave them power first and then they received him. They had to receive him first.


Survey2/10/07 11:08 PM
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CBC: "Jesus said to be His follower we need to deny self (your affinity for the RCC), take up our cross and follow Him (obedience to all of the Book). *** Anything less than this is not genuine salvation *** and it will only get you into Hell."

What is the difference between your above statement and works salvation?

Do not those acts of obedience follow salvation and not merits it?


Survey2/10/07 7:49 AM
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(Rom. 10:17)
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

It doesn't say that faith cometh by regeneration.

The whole emphasis of verses Romans 10:14-17 is to preach the word to the unbeliever. He is lost and will not know the truth unless it is presented to him.

You are equating spiritual inability as being physically unable to hear as well.

The power of the gospel is in the word preached. For some reason you don't believe that God has the power in his word to speak to an unbeliever.


Survey2/9/07 3:20 PM
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First off Kestrel, you assume that we believe that we made the first move.

You are in error.

Unregenerate man first needs to hear the gospel.

Second, the Holy Spirit convicts the heart.

Third, the Holy Spirit reveals the need of salvation.

Fourth, the Holy Spirit reveals the saving work of Christ to the unbeliever.

Fifth, the unbeliever is held accountable for his own sin debt and he is now without excuse. Either except God's way of salvation or face the eternal wrath of God's judgment.

The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Rom. 1:17 to everyone that believeth. Regeneration is not the gospel, but the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You, my friend are adding to the salvation of God. You have changed the gospel from the work of Christ on the cross of Calvary for the sins of man to regeneration.


Survey2/8/07 6:36 PM
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Kestrel,

Let me clarify. I said that regeneration is not the power of God unto salvation, regeneration IS salvation.


Survey2/8/07 6:10 PM
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Kestrel,

Sorry about that. I did ask that earlier and didn't remember which forum.

"Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt."

God has placed it in all men the ability to believe the gospel when he hears it. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who hears it and believes it. Regeneration is not power of God unto salvation, the gospel is. God sent the Holy Spirit to prick and convict the heart of the sinner. How can he call on whom he has not heard? How can he hear unless someone brings the gospel to him?

Regeneration is the soley act of God whereby one is given a new life. The sinner is transformed into a new creature whereby the old is passed away and all things become new.


Survey2/8/07 3:21 PM
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Kestrel,

This topic is about the proper mode of baptism, let's stick to that OK. I am not in the mood to go off on rabbit trails today. Let's deal with the one on the board and then move on to the next.

There should be a proper thread to discuss the questions you posted. I'll gladly meet you there because they are good and important issues to discuss, but not on this thread.


Survey2/8/07 3:18 PM
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Kestrel,

Then how would you explain the fact that the Greek words for sprinkle and pour actually existed and could have been used as in other places in the New Testament.

If the Holy Spirit intended for us to interpret the mode of baptism as sprinkling, then the command to sprinkle would have been used. God is not the author of confusion and would not inspire the writers to use the precise words he dictated to them.

I have no doubt that the Greek words for pour and sprinkle were used in the common language so why didn't the author of scripture use them as well to clearly instruct us on the proper mode of the ordinance.


Survey2/8/07 12:41 PM
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Wouldn't you find it kind of odd that the writer of scripture could have used the Greek words for sprinkling 'ραντισμός' or for pouring 'εκχέω, εκχύνω' to describe this particular ordinance.

The ordinance was named after the mode. βαπτίζω which is a derivative of βάπτω which means to dip or dipped (see Luke 16:24, John 13:26, Rev. 19:13).

βαπτίζω is defined 80 times in the NT

baptized, 61
baptize, 9
baptizing, 4
baptizeth, 2
baptist, 1
baptizest, 1
wash, 1
washed, 1

1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm


Survey2/8/07 12:13 PM
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Please define what do you mean "salvation by works".

Exactly what good works or sacraments do we claim or perform that merits salvation.

Don't just make a general comment without offering proof.


Survey2/6/07 5:23 PM
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Even the reprobate are drawn. Rom. 1:19&c.

(John 1:8-10)
"8. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."


Survey2/6/07 5:05 PM
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KK: "Godly men should confront them and if they will not HEAR --- you have done your best."

I am sure it has been tried and what probably ends up happening is that they come picket your church and call you insulting names like sodomite lovers.


Survey2/6/07 1:43 PM
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Lurker,

I am waiting for Kestrel's answer.

I am waiting for him to admit to us all that he was elected and they weren't. I want him to be totally honest with me.

Why does he believe that Jesus died only for him and paid the ransom for his soul and not for the Muslim?


Survey2/6/07 1:06 PM
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Kestrel,

Then how do you know he died and paid the price for you?


Survey2/6/07 11:50 AM
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" "To say we disagree is putting it lightly, it feels to me more like contempt (for the Calvinist position) on your part."

On this you are right. I have contempt for any false theology." "

I guess they don't share this same contempt for those of the "Arminian" brand.

(Psa. 119:104)
"Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way."

(Psa. 119:128)
"Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way."


Survey2/6/07 9:53 AM
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Predestination,

Why is it unfathomable for you to believe that he could hate us because of our sin and at the same time love us with that everlasting love.

I do agree with your interpretation of Luke and Matthew concerning human relationships.

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