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2/13/07 3:39 PM |
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Predestination,Depends on your interpretation of boasting. When you are asked if you "trusted" in the saving grace of Christ after you heard the gospel and was convicted by the Holy Ghost and "believed" that Christ paid the sin debt that you rightfully owed and deserved, how would you respond? Would you say, yes I believed and trusted in the gospel of God's saving grace? Is that boasting? |
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2/11/07 10:47 AM |
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Walt,It is good to see you back. What part to you disagree with? 1. That the term "received" in John 1:12 is in the active voice and not passive. 2. That Calvinist teach that one does not chose to receive Christ when he hears the gospel through the Holy Spirit. |
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2/11/07 8:54 AM |
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Is not God capable of converting goats into sheep.(2 Cor. 5:17) "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a *** new creature: *** old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Secondly, what does it mean to come to me (Christ). Thirdly, what do we mean by "draw him". The point I was trying to make in regards to the word "receive" is that the Calvinist position is that one does not have to accept Christ or choose Christ to be saved. That would be true if the word was used in the passive voice, but it is in the active voice. The free gift of God's grace, in this case, must be excepted by the receiver to be effectual. The Calvinist disagree and calls this free-will works salvation. |
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2/10/07 11:53 PM |
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Kestrel, Lurker,Something interesting to note. John 1:12 reads, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" The Greek word for the verb "receive" is 'elabon' and is in the aorist tense, active voice and indicative mood. Which simply means that the subject (But as many) performs, produces, or experiences the action (received) or exists in the state expressed by the verb. Whereas if it was in the passive voice the subject (But as many) is acted upon or receives the action expressed by the verb. No volition - nor even necessarily awareness of the action - is implied on the part of the subject. That is, the subject may or may not be aware, its volition may or may not be involved. Source: http://www.bcbsr.com/greek/grklnk.html So, in other words, the word received, in this passage, means to take or to get hold of. The verse could read: "But as many as taken hold of him or to have accepted him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" It didn't say that he gave them power first and then they received him. They had to receive him first. |
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2/10/07 7:49 AM |
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(Rom. 10:17) "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." It doesn't say that faith cometh by regeneration. The whole emphasis of verses Romans 10:14-17 is to preach the word to the unbeliever. He is lost and will not know the truth unless it is presented to him. You are equating spiritual inability as being physically unable to hear as well. The power of the gospel is in the word preached. For some reason you don't believe that God has the power in his word to speak to an unbeliever. |
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2/9/07 3:20 PM |
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First off Kestrel, you assume that we believe that we made the first move.You are in error. Unregenerate man first needs to hear the gospel. Second, the Holy Spirit convicts the heart. Third, the Holy Spirit reveals the need of salvation. Fourth, the Holy Spirit reveals the saving work of Christ to the unbeliever. Fifth, the unbeliever is held accountable for his own sin debt and he is now without excuse. Either except God's way of salvation or face the eternal wrath of God's judgment. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Rom. 1:17 to everyone that believeth. Regeneration is not the gospel, but the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You, my friend are adding to the salvation of God. You have changed the gospel from the work of Christ on the cross of Calvary for the sins of man to regeneration. |
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2/8/07 6:10 PM |
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Kestrel,Sorry about that. I did ask that earlier and didn't remember which forum. "Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt." God has placed it in all men the ability to believe the gospel when he hears it. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who hears it and believes it. Regeneration is not power of God unto salvation, the gospel is. God sent the Holy Spirit to prick and convict the heart of the sinner. How can he call on whom he has not heard? How can he hear unless someone brings the gospel to him? Regeneration is the soley act of God whereby one is given a new life. The sinner is transformed into a new creature whereby the old is passed away and all things become new. |
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2/8/07 12:41 PM |
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Wouldn't you find it kind of odd that the writer of scripture could have used the Greek words for sprinkling 'ραντισμός' or for pouring 'εκχέω, εκχύνω' to describe this particular ordinance.The ordinance was named after the mode. βαπτίζω which is a derivative of βάπτω which means to dip or dipped (see Luke 16:24, John 13:26, Rev. 19:13). βαπτίζω is defined 80 times in the NT baptized, 61 baptize, 9 baptizing, 4 baptizeth, 2 baptist, 1 baptizest, 1 wash, 1 washed, 1 1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk) 2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe 3) to overwhelm |
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2/6/07 1:43 PM |
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Lurker,I am waiting for Kestrel's answer. I am waiting for him to admit to us all that he was elected and they weren't. I want him to be totally honest with me. Why does he believe that Jesus died only for him and paid the ransom for his soul and not for the Muslim? |
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2/6/07 11:50 AM |
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" "To say we disagree is putting it lightly, it feels to me more like contempt (for the Calvinist position) on your part."On this you are right. I have contempt for any false theology." " I guess they don't share this same contempt for those of the "Arminian" brand. (Psa. 119:104) "Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way." (Psa. 119:128) "Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way." |
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