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740 total votes have been cast on this survey | 136 user comments  ( edit survey )

Is it getting harder to find a church in which you agree in most matters of faith and practice? Comments encouraged.
Created: 5/20/2008 | Last Vote: 6 years ago | Comment: 14 years ago
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 •   Yes, I've had to leave a church in the recent past, or I am still between churches.
  39% | 290 votes

 •   Yes, it takes a long time to find a church home, I have to go a long way, or compromise beliefs.
  38% | 280 votes

 •   Not really, it takes just a few visits to find one.
  4% | 29 votes

 •   No, most churches in my denomination are fine with me.
  4% | 26 votes

 •   No, I've been happy at the same one for a long time.
  9% | 67 votes

 •   No answer. Skip this survey, I do not care to vote on this topic.
  6% | 48 votes

   

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Survey7/28/10 11:46 AM
Kestle  Find all comments by Kestle
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Mike wrote:
Could this be an example of insufficient reformation? Both adhere to "our common understanding" of the Sprinkler System if I'm not mistaken. If the CofS were dunkers, they'd have to find some other common ground.
Now Mike behave yourself! Dunking does not make them sinless as you will have observed in your own wee Denom.

The problem with the Kirk is the abomination of Liberal religion which is creating the evil pestilence of ecumenism in all the Liberal "churches."

Bad enough that they seek to hold hands with the antichrist papists, but the reason - "Liberalism which has replaced Christianity" - demonstrates how far this mob has gone away from the Bible.
They are even daft enough to be asking the RCC to commemorate the anniversary of the Scottish Reformation with them.
In the 16th century the papists were busy burning the real Christians at the stake.

Any Christians left in the C of S should leave immediately since Christ does not lie with belial.

BTW At the same assembly this year they invited a Muslim to speak to them, who apparently spoke about how "ALL" religions should work together for peace.


Survey7/28/10 11:24 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
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Kestle wrote:
Hows about this for Reformation Reversal???
"A CHURCH of Scotland body is urging congregations to celebrate their common baptism with Roman Catholics for the first time by using a special joint liturgy for the reaffirmation of baptismal vows.
The groundbreaking call, seen as a monumental step in inter-church links, is made in the report of the Kirk's Ecumenical Relations Committee to the General Assembly.
The liturgy was devised by the Joint Commission on Doctrine, made up of officials from both churches.
Following an extensive study period which looked at our common understanding of baptism, this new service is now being recommended by the Ecumenical Relations Committee for use at major Christian festivals, such as Easter and Pentecost. This year Pentecost falls on the Sunday of General Assembly week (23 May).
Theologically, both churches believe baptism involves conversion, pardoning and cleansing and marks the beginning of a new life in Christ, characterised by growth."
(C.of.S. website)
Could this be an example of insufficient reformation? Both adhere to "our common understanding" of the Sprinkler System if I'm not mistaken. If the CofS were dunkers, they'd have to find some other common ground.

Survey7/27/10 4:41 PM
Kestle  Find all comments by Kestle
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Hows about this for Reformation Reversal???

"A CHURCH of Scotland body is urging congregations to celebrate their common baptism with Roman Catholics for the first time by using a special joint liturgy for the reaffirmation of baptismal vows.

The groundbreaking call, seen as a monumental step in inter-church links, is made in the report of the Kirk's Ecumenical Relations Committee to the General Assembly.

The liturgy was devised by the Joint Commission on Doctrine, made up of officials from both churches.

Following an extensive study period which looked at our common understanding of baptism, this new service is now being recommended by the Ecumenical Relations Committee for use at major Christian festivals, such as Easter and Pentecost. This year Pentecost falls on the Sunday of General Assembly week (23 May).

Theologically, both churches believe baptism involves conversion, pardoning and cleansing and marks the beginning of a new life in Christ, characterised by growth."
(C.of.S. website)


Survey2/21/10 10:59 AM
dlormand  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by dlormand
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All the churches we have visited seem to differ primarily in worship style. None seem to go much deeper than the Sunday worship service. None have prayer meetings!

Survey1/22/10 7:03 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by princecharles
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If ye love me, keep my commandments

john 14v15


Survey1/22/10 6:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Michael Hranek wrote:
John UK
Your post was an interesting one. It reminds me of how wrong and impossible it is to do the will of God with carnal human efforts or said in other words bring about genuine holiness by external complusion to man made precepts traditions and doctrines of men.
Thank you Michael, I was thinking of this very thing last night. Surely one thing is needful, after which all things slot into place; namely, that a man must be brought to that place where he is a new creature fellowshipping with Christ, and his 'new mind' will desire only to obey the Lord without recourse to rigid rules and fierce exhortation. But how many churches are going about it the wrong way round?

It's tantamount to legalism, really, when believers try to obey without the heart-desire. We should learn to love and worship before we 'do' anything.

Michael Hranek wrote:
By the way you don't have to use an AV nor subscribe to the WCF etc. to love Jesus Christ as His forgiveness doesn't rest upon the 'RT' and Dhort etc. but in the blood He willingly shed for us on the cross...huge reason to love Him with all our heart, soul and mind.
Correct on all five counts.

Survey1/22/10 6:08 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by princecharles
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Ive always found that although every church ive been to falls to a lesser or greater degree below the Biblical standard - usually to a greater degree. Even in some of the least likely churches God always makes sure that there is a core of genuinely regenerate believers within that body. Ive been suprised in the past, sometimes there are only one or two but they are there so one can find fellowship with true believers in unlikely places its always worth a try and see what you find

Survey1/22/10 5:34 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
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John UK wrote:
However, it must not ...
John UK
Your post was an interesting one. It reminds me of how wrong and impossible it is to do the will of God with carnal human efforts or said in other words bring about genuine holiness by external complusion to man made precepts traditions and doctrines of men.

Jesus told us, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

This is quite a bit different from making ourselves into modern day Pharisee who might twist His word to false say 'If you love Me you will force other people to keep your commandments' isn't it? James states clearly I will show you my faith by my works quite a bit different from the Pharisees who were experts in keeping The Sabbath and lording it over others.

By the way you don't have to use an AV nor subscribe to the WCF etc. to love Jesus Christ as His forgiveness doesn't rest upon the 'RT' and Dhort etc. but in the blood He willingly shed for us on the cross...huge reason to love Him with all our heart, soul and mind.


Survey1/21/10 7:10 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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Alan H wrote:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=23496]]]Reformed Churches and the Preservation of the Scriptures[/URL]
Certainly there must be a church in Seattle or Everett, Washington, which is both reformed, Baptist, and which uses the Authorized Version. But I am still looking...
John UK wrote:
...I came at it from a different angle, because in the UK there have been no IBC's with a KJV-only stance, and the majority of churches only used the AV because that was the accepted version. And so today, because these folks have no background knowledge as to the supremacy of the AV and the preservation of the texts, it is an easy matter to pull the wool over their eyes and introduce modern corrupted versions which ultimately will be to the detriment of the church.
You make a valid point John. It has been quite some time since I have attended a FIBC and so many or most of them may not hold the same position on the AV which they used to here in the states.

John UK wrote:
As to your other concern...
The other concern just happened to be a part of what I wrote at the time to illustrate a point. I'd rather not go there now... Much too stressful!

Survey1/21/10 2:39 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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Graceamazing wrote:
Alan H
The problem...what would you think of a Presbyterian who wouldn't listen to Spurgeon preaching? Or a Baptist who couldn't sit under John Newton or Robert Murray McCheyne? Sound preaching is what is important.
Graceamazing,

Thank you for your very encouraging words and advice. As for the above statement, I would say that a person who refused to listen to these persons simply on the basis of baptismal differences is mistaken in their conviction.

I have no problem fellowshipping with those who are reformed in their theology, who hold to infant baptism, provided they understand and acknowledge that it is not a saving act. As I mentioned, my family and I attended a "Free Reformed" church for a while and we were blessed by the preaching. The pastor of that assembly, knowing that we disagreed upon the issue of baptism, recommended that we find a church which we could join and participate in, and so we left. I have searched for Presbyterian churches in our area which use the Authorized Version and have been very disheartened by what I have found. We are flooded with Presbyterian churches in our area, but I have only been able to find one which uses the AV, and there were other issues involved with that church.


Survey1/21/10 9:52 AM
Graceamazing  Find all comments by Graceamazing
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Alan H

The problem...what would you think of a Presbyterian who wouldn't listen to Spurgeon preaching? Or a Baptist who couldn't sit under John Newton or Robert Murray McCheyne? Sound preaching is what is important.

I think you are correct to seek a church that solidly sticks with the KJV and better still one that supports the Reformed Trinitarian Bible Society. I know you have Baptist convictions but I would rather sit under God's chosen instrument (preacher) who might differ on Baptism, yet whose preaching is in the power of a John Knox.

Simply by listening to UK churches here on SA that are Protestant and use the KJV, I have found **much** blessing.

Try this link and see if you agree it is balanced on the subject of baptism:
[URL=http://www.freepres.org/sep_details.asp?sep_baptism]]]Here[/URL]

The option is to attend a Reformed church that isn't Baptist, but evangelically Protestant that is within travelling distance. To move away. To contact Reformed Baptist brethren with your convictions and pray for a church plant in your area. May God bless you brother and may you find like minded brethren in your locality and may God be glorified in your familly and witness


Survey1/21/10 6:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Michael Hranek wrote:
Interesting comments.
IMO the issue in finding a church goes deep into actually being followers/disciples of Jesus Christ not just people who can rattle off a whole lot of information about Him.
If you find one, Michael, do let me know. And if it is too far for me to travel, I may become an associate member, sweetly fellowshipping by e-mail and listening to good sermons.

However, it must not have schismatically introduced a modern version as that would confuse me, and we know "God is not the author of confusion". Oh and it must believe the biblical "doctrines of Free and Sovereign Grace" otherwise it is not a Bible-believing church. Oh and it must believe in the biblical believer's baptism, otherwise it is not a Bible Church. Oh and there must be no collection during the service, because that is not biblical. Oh and I'm not sure about singing hymns, perhaps the Bible says we should worship with only psalms, but whatever the Bible teaches, that is what we must do.

You see, Michael, that I am trying to be a disciple (learner) of Jesus Christ, by holding only to what Jesus says in his word.


Survey1/21/10 5:50 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
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Interesting comments.

IMO the issue in finding a church goes deep into actually being followers/disciples of Jesus Christ not just people who can rattle off a whole lot of information about Him.

Scripture makes it clear the righteous man shall live by faith.

And if a church is to be righteous (together as individuals) its members must have faith IN JESUS CHRIST (NOT MERELY ABOUT HIM) and/to follow Him.

Saddly it seems we can argue correct Bible translations, have Bible studies (and know lots of Bible stories-the Pharisees did that), memorize whatever confessions we believe to be correct etc. etc. and yet dispite all this we can do on our own in our religion be far from God.

But we simply cannot humbly honestly seek for God seek to learn of Him and be obedient to His will with all our hearts in prayer in listening to what He Himself says to us in His word without "finding Him" without growing in a real knowledge and experience of Him of the Son of God Jesus Christ, of Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God in our lives.

In short shouldn't we seek to be a part of a church where people actually know God and not just know about Him?


Survey1/21/10 5:13 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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Alan H wrote:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=23496]]]Reformed Churches and the Preservation of the Scriptures[/URL]
Certainly there must be a church in Seattle or Everett, Washington, which is both reformed, Baptist, and which uses the Authorized Version. But I am still looking...
An excellent article Alan, well written and well thought out. I would concur absolutely with you, even though I came at it from a different angle, because in the UK there have been no IBC's with a KJV-only stance, and the majority of churches only used the AV because that was the accepted version. And so today, because these folks have no background knowledge as to the supremacy of the AV and the preservation of the texts, it is an easy matter to pull the wool over their eyes and introduce modern corrupted versions which ultimately will be to the detriment of the church.

As I see it, there are now too many factors in choosing a church to attend. It becomes impossible, as we are finding out. I love the Met Tab, but a 7 hour journey to church?

As to your other concern, give me a few more months and I may have arrived at a better position, although scholars seem not to have delved as far as we were trying to go.


Survey1/21/10 4:19 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by princecharles
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I have a similar problem Alan, on the face of it it does not seem much to ask.

I feel sorry for my boys because tho we have family worship and they come to church no problem and we have a small independent bible study group with our own (retired) minister our nearest (more or less) reformed church (NIV) is 25 miles away so they have no fellowship nor ever had with boys and girls their own age.

Im sure it would make a difference if they had christian friends but they dont , sometimes the youth group at the church have an outing and I take them along to that but after school they dont want to travel back to town 25 miles to attend the youth club

Other times i think that its Gods wish that they arent involved with a 'youth ministry' and spend time with adults instead. But i suspectt its very encouraging for youngsters to spend time with other young believers but sometimes these groups can be trivial and unsound.


Survey1/21/10 1:15 AM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameGo to homepageFind all comments by Alan H
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I can find many Baptist churches in my area which are not reformed, but which use the Authorized Version. Been there, done that! Don't care to go down that path again...

I can find a few reformed churches in my area which use the Authorized Version, but which are not Baptist. Been there, too! Two out of three in this case is bad. While baptism is not essential to salvation, it is important for unity. I spent a long time with my family in a "Free Reformed Church" we couldn't join because we were baptists.

There are several "Reformed Baptist" churches in my area, but none of them use the Authorized Version.

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=23496]]]Reformed Churches and the Preservation of the Scriptures[/URL]

Certainly there must be a church in Seattle or Everett, Washington, which is both reformed, Baptist, and which uses the Authorized Version. But I am still looking...

Am I expecting too much? This problem has caused a great deal of stress in my family. I am the spiritual leader in our home and I can't even find a church we can attend without compromising my convictions.


Survey1/20/10 4:29 PM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by princecharles
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Ha Ha you have us bang to rights - love the t shirt mmmm been thinking about a uniform not bad...

Survey1/20/10 1:09 PM
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princecharles wrote:
I'm very pleased with my church....
A church like that must mean YOU are the Pastor and your own family are the only victims (members) , with Fred Phelps the only invited speaker

I would join up, but I don't like special diets either... mince pies only churches

[URL=http://images9.cafepress.com/product/34633699v1_480x480_Front_Color-White.jpg]]]I couldn't wear the t-shirt[/URL]


Survey1/20/10 12:39 PM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailGo to homepageFind all comments by princecharles
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I'm very pleased with my church, its KJV only and the only songs permitted are psalms. There are no guitars, tambourines, choruses or people waving their hands in the air.
Women are not allowed to speak once the service has begun and unnatached men and women are not permitted to associate.
All prospective members are thoroughly vetted on their doctrine in addition to learning by heart the shortened westminster articles. They must undergo a weekend of interrogation on biblical knowlege without recourse to food (except for mince pies) or sleep whilst undergoing strenuous physical excercise as per the british army physical training manual (Part 1A section 2)
They must also posess a trade and be able to provide proof of a minimum of five years continuos and satisfactory employment at it. In this way we weed out apostates, flaky doctrine, the needy, those with 'special diets' and the workshy. Failure in any part means they have to reapply but not before three years has elapsed.
PS the satanic heathen observing of times such as christmas is one of many activities which will place a member under discipline including watching tele on a sunday
Hope this helps

Survey1/20/10 8:19 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
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I put my vote in the first box:

"Yes, I've had to leave a church in the recent past, or I am still between churches."

With my condition being so serious, I cannot hack being amongst people who show so little love and concern, and some who will not believe me when I say I have to be on a special diet, and they try to force mince pies down my throat, or tell me I'm being conned. I'm sorry to have to say it, but extant churches are not generally walking in the Spirit and showing the love of Christ. Those who are healthy and strong may be able to cope with the infighting, power struggles, Xmas trees, and general sorts of backbiting and gossiping; but me, well it just makes me very sad.

Thankfully, the Lord Jesus knows all things, and has pity on his children, especially those who are forced out of fellowship by religious but backslidden professors of faith.

I get more sense out of my ungodly doctor and consultant, who have recommended I stay on my diet for my health's sake, than from brethren and sisters who accuse me of malingering.

These are simple facts, and need saying, especially as it seems there are many more out there who also ticked the first box.

May the Lord bless all separated brethren, and grant you to know his delightful presence.

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