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Survey11/14/06 7:19 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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The psalms are also called a prayer book do you use it for that?????Or do you use extemporary prayer in your worship??Answer this.Please

Survey11/14/06 7:17 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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Ulster said..Remo, would you hoever conceed that Psalms are the purest form of worship?No! the Bible Alone is! that the hebrew and the greek is its purest form.You claim Para Phara phrased Psalm are. Dont you agree.

Ml what does it mean. you tell me.


Survey11/14/06 7:09 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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B.a where in the bible do we read the words
"trinity", "church discipline", doctrines of grace", "effectual calling", "eschatology", two natures of Christ", "hypostatic union", "church government" etc.
Thats my point again going by your own priciple those you have mentioned is wrong..The normative allows for.."trinity", "church discipline", doctrines of grace", "effectual calling", "eschatology", two natures of Christ", "hypostatic union", "church government" etc.

Try again I was wanting you to answer what you said for if you want to be strict let us be strict!!!Regulative priciple states a dirrct command.


Survey11/14/06 7:01 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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B.a said post script.
why do you believe that mary sang in luke 1?
my bible says "And Mary (said),(use the voise)", and this was not in the context of public worship.

I did say it was.. you did..
you missed the point again.


Survey11/14/06 6:57 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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i still dont understand the point that you are trying to make relating to phil. are you somehow implying that because i obey them that have the rule over me, and obey the scriptural injunct to be silent in church, and not to teach or usurp authority over the man, that i should somehow be despised?

No..Youve missed it again you cannot mention the name Jesus because yo only sing Psalms the only ones are men who pray not all men and not women.My reply next was what those who sing Psalms only say not that i was saying to you it not about sentimentality.....
That is why its hard to read people over the internet..
if you follow Joe thats my point again you reply on men for your interpretation I too can do the same use men or renown older and wisers ..

b.a said regulative principle
where in the bible can i find these words.. dont say we use the normantive priciple because that is your ideas again we can go on if you like..
"I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

What does it mean!!!


Survey11/14/06 6:44 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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amen Albert there are SO many nat like creatures in their doctrine its beyong funny. Yet some will use a pitching pipe to help them keep tune yet they claim the dont use instuments. the list go on and on and on..
B.a and the like please dont take these comment the wrong way. its all in the Spirit of correction to error i am sorry if you feel bad.
They will never too Albert deal with you about how they will never allow a para phrased Bible but they allow a psalm book which the dutch claim has man mand error and versa versa.

Survey11/14/06 6:33 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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B.a said..in short..is in !!error!!

Thats my point all along you have no grounds to think or say that!!

B.a said..you for your part may disagree. however, i would ask that you do so in a charitable and brotherly spirit, as i am finding your tone disagreeable.
Where have i expreesed that which is not Scriptual.
I am sorry if you recieve a diferent Spirit . It might be your concience??
But error is error and when some one gets branded with error well its only one of 2 feeling that they get is unloved, not so. My reason is to re correct you in Love to the trueth. Paul is red hot onb things but there were some who thoughtbhe bhad no love . cheers


Survey11/14/06 6:16 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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well, it is to the Lord i must answer for my practice, and i do that according to the light given to me.
That is why I am posting..why God has reallly said in His Word..
beyond that remo, i do not understand what you mean about me as a woman and phil 2 v 10.
Sorry if this was a bit criptic for you it was related to you being a girl and those men who just sit in church being controled by men forse you to nerver say the name above every name...every knee....Jesus its not about sentiment but about the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit,(extempory) and I will pray with the understanding also (Book of Psalms): I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

I fyou dont want me to reply you need to do better than you have a bee in the bonet or....I wonder if you would listen to those arminians who might say the same to you.Not a good answer is it..Scripture is better.dont you agree..
Thus I also said with no reponce the opposite of bad is not nothing as you would love to claim. Yet no responce but Good .
You like to go to extreems it seem. that is all I am say and you need to keep with Scripture. Not interpret scripture by faulse assuptions. e.g ep 5.19 is saying bk psalms


Survey11/14/06 6:04 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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B.a said..boyzo, remo, you really have a bee in your bonnet on this one.
is your conscience bothering you? methinks you do protest too much.

It is you who have it. This all you give to me to understand your error.
as to my dig about you not seeing Christ in the psalms. So I am a mind reader. its clear you only use shadows which the old tes is for seeing as hebrews states. Dont you see this
there is an arrogance about your comment "I said you live in shadows but we live in the perfect." i don't agree with your assessment about the singing of hymns being "perfect".

No the arrogance started with you suggesting that those who would sing Psalms Hymns and spiritual songs where leadists. which is wrong. Do you understand when God says quench not the Spirit it means THAT! Which you are doing my concience is clear and God calls me to reply to error.
i see i am in a class of persons described as " B.a and the like".

Is it not!
as to your second post, remo, you make grave, unfounded and frankly, offensive allegations against a sister of "quenching the Spirit".
Well what can be said I have given you questions and replys e.g you said God hasn,t given us a pray book then I reply yes he has and your reply is oh well Im still not listenning??????cont..


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Neil said But even relativity is not really true; it just conforms to certain observations better than classical mechanics. But no such scientific law can be shown to work everywhere & at all times; that's a fallacious assumption since we aren't (like God) omniscient.

Even if you don't accept #1 as part of it, why should I logically believe results of the Scientific Method, however it's defined?

Neil Ibelive AIG willnever say that science is right therefore.. its the opposte the have stated many time that both groups are looking back to what has happened yet they always claim "I can tell you who was there and we have HIS Word" and do you want to listen" i think this is how the rest went. Its has favourite line foe children to there teachers who claim other wise.
The Musem in my veiw is just a common tool for children to get taught the opposite of error. Chilldren love going on excursions and now they have an excuss to some where of the opposite nature and have a way of getting them to hear Gods Word.
I think one can strain or be negative too much at things, at times with out looking to the whole picture.
They dont really on causality but The God who was there.


Survey11/14/06 5:26 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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P.S "If can prove to me that churches that sing nothing but Psalms are filled the Spirit, and rejoicing, and praise, and have endless conversion and additions tp their body, I should be more readyto listen.Let us avoid all excesses.Let everything be done decently and in order. but above all quench not the Spirit, rather be filled with it and give the evidence of the fact you are".. MLJ..

Survey11/14/06 5:16 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:

"""I will sing with the spirit""", and I will sing with the understanding also"PSalms".

P.S And Joe..What is that . It relly needs no reply..Look what your awthority is.. But it has been satisfactorily PROVED by EMINIT Hebrew scholars, and the MOST learned expositors of scripture, both ancient and modern, that the names "
Just follow the Spirit and Quench not Extempory prays are not banned for the same reason. You have a prayer book why dont you use it. Unless you have somthing scriptual then lets us all Follow Christ who has made us free from the doctrines of men and follow Jesus Christ..


Survey11/14/06 5:09 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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cont..the opposite of excess is not silence but its control and that is a ruling which has a universal application.
God said..1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
If you want too that your choise.In your narrow unscriptual understanding all you have to reply is."i'm afraid i'll not be giving up the psalter in favour of mission praise or spring harvest anytime soon. having spent the first 25 odd years of my life as a hymn singer i do know what i'm not missing." Again you go to extreem mission praise? The opposite of bad is not silence but good.
Let us not be carfull to not limit the Holy Spirit and become guilty of quenching the Spirit.
B.a you will never being a women and also men who dont have an ative roll in the Church allowed to say the name that is above every name..Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;.. The name "Jesus" is never utter from your lip in worship to His Great Name the name that saves you.
We find Mary burst forth into song extempory the same way it always has and that which is true will be sung by his people Quench not the Spirit.1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray cont

Survey11/14/06 4:48 PM
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B.a said..you have not succeeded on either count...
I dont need to I know God whos work is like a hammer when you sleep at night with show you by His spirit to His people the real truth.
And sahme on you for misleading what i have said."i'm shocked at you remo... can't see Christ in the psalms" Where did isay this you better ask for forgivness there.I said you live in shadows but we live in the perfect.
"Ba said do you not sing every time you hit an arminian or annihilationist or dispy thought in a hymn? my recollection is there was hardly a hymn or chorus that didn't have something objectionable in it. (or do you just get carried away with the nice tune and the keyboards and the drums and the string section so that you don't notice)"
Now we are back to the beginning again where this psalms only starts from. B.a and the like always weakly put up this question it need no reply, its so simple just as I have said in the beginning useing the illustration just because the love between a man a women turns bad you dont ban it.The opposite of bad is not nothing it "good".
This where the whole error comes in Paul never says never speak in tounges again never prophesy again never give vent to spirit that srings forth with in you. The opposite of excess is not cont

Survey11/13/06 5:10 PM
Remo & Susan Graziotin | Adelaide, South Australia  Find all comments by Remo & Susan Graziotin
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Now B,a let go after these Arminians that they may know the God of Soverien Grace.. and rest in HIM alone.

Survey11/13/06 5:04 PM
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Look B.a I could go through all the rest of your coment to me and reply just the same .I am not trying to put you down but that to humble you to see that your understanding of the issue is flawed Mr Silverside is a good debater but that doesn,t make him scriptual.What he preaches about other thing is fantastic. But your attack on people that say the Lord did this or that needs better clarification in future that is all Id say if you want to continue I am only too well pleased to do so at my lesuir.But ep 5.17-19 is not speaking about a tight doctrine for worship, you need to go to 1 cor 14 for that.Extemporary prayer in church are allowed for the same reason that we can sing and burst forth into song when filled with the spirit. Be not drunk with wine is conected to being filled with the spirit and making melody to the Lord (Lord JESUS Christ)
B.a i asume you are a girl by others comments. can you tell me the truth have you ever said the name JESUS in your church worship.Have you ever spoke the litteral name Jesus in your church worship.I think I know your answer. NO. Yet you never question this absurdaty You live in shadows that the book of Hebrew calls us out from The saints sing a new song yet not new alltogeather but new in HIS name Jesus.

Survey11/13/06 4:48 PM
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The first Historian Eusebius and Terttullian 220-230 dont agree whith you nor does as well as other historians who have studied the early church fathers who wrote of a man who reported for the emperor Trajan ad98-117 he said that the Christian at Bythinia meet on a fix day a recited an antiphonal hymn to christ as God. Very inmpottant to see this.
The bible doesn,t have a prayer book what a weak answer. Why not use the same rule it inpiration that you claim is the golden rule not as much as a direct commant.
No you want to change the grounds now bwcause you know in your heart of hearts you system is flawed. The bible is full of prays. The most importand one is that you missed that the Psalms are prayer.
Laughable i think you need to re think you logic on that one.
Try again. That is why be lead by the spirit and you will not follow waht men say. Psalms 72:20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.

Survey11/13/06 4:34 PM
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B.a said i did notice your comment on the easter thread, but didn't realise that you wanted a response.

i stand by my comments. everyone agrees that the book of psalms are God breathed in that they form part of the canon of scripture.

Again I didn,t take this up of myself but took your words in context youe claim that people do think like hymn writing as to i was lead or leadism.
Thus I wrote to that comment ant set things straight Why you also use this term yourselves and use they same things as we do. Ie. You say the Book of psalms is God breathed I agree. But what i want to know does your church use a paraphased Bible I would like to know if you do and why you do and what version you use. For this is important you will see.

I dont know what poker has anything to do with this but that is the way of the legalist i am sorry to say what has that to do with church .Poker is not even metioned in the bible yet sing is. Again one of your stawman. Ephesians 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; You base your agument that this is refering to the book of Psalm I dought it and most agree it dont


Survey11/12/06 11:04 PM
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You watch F.R they will claim one has been given the gift of preach but not to hymn making will be their cry another fivilous and mis informed notion.Their understanding of Spiritual is the key does it mean God breathed or that which is from God. Like when some preaches a sermon or prayer which hits the heart we say boy what a great message or prayer that was from God. Of the Spirit spiritual opposite of carnal. Spiritual song rarther than carnal unscriptual message or prayer.cheers

Survey11/12/06 10:21 PM
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here is part of my reply to B.A said..have you ever heard the term "feeling led"?
it is used often to justify the unscriptural and irrational. does that make it right?
likewise, the Lord may well have blessed you with musical ability and song writing talent, as he did indeed with many hymn writers. however the same biblical principles which should restrain my feeling leddism should also restrain those of others.

Remo said edited..I dont know how Psalms only gets dragged into this topic. But thats the way of the weak.
I wonder if un Ispired messages with mans words added to scripture will be tolarated or mans worded prayers are inspired the same way Or would they even agree with a para pharaphased Bible are allowd in the House of God they allow a paraphased Psalm with added words of men who were inspired to do so. Laughable isn,t it.
Away with that rubish and lies.The topic is Easter the scriptual one. Lords day.
F.R they claim Isiration will only do the house of God but when you examine it its sadly laughable.
They say as b.a said i was lead who says that some do yes but not all.
One should ask how does some one form a prayer or should we follow the aglicans who use a prayer book the same way as Psalm only people will use prayer only found in the bible.

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