" Abigail have another look at that verse you quoted 2Pet 3:9.
See who it written to ....the bretheren ie to christians....and who is the "any" referring to. Surely the verse is talking to Christians and the any is any of us (believers) still to come to repentance. Read the verse in context next time."
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Jago, "Any" means "any". You are reading something into the Scripture that is not there. All of the Epistles are written to Christians. Your supposition proves nothing—except that you will not accept simple words as their true meaning, but add to the Scriptures to support your own doctrine.

" We don't expect the Arminian/Liberal/Papist churches to accept the WCF; - Because these churches teach salvation by works, a less than sovereign god and less than sinful mortal.".
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Seaton, you are lying. You call everyong that does not believe TULIP Arminian/Liberal/Papist churches. That simply is not true.

We opposers of TULIP do not teach salvation by works, a less than sovereign God and less than sinful mortals. That is Calvinist's false ACCUSATION to justify TULIP. We teach the same thing as Calvinists with the exception that humanity has the ability to accept or reject the offer of salvation. Jesus Christ died on the cross to save the world and WHOSOEVER BELIEVES may receive His gracious free gift. Repentance and walking in newness of life is demanded by God. Without those, no man will be saved.

TULIP permits unrepentant sinners to receive salvation which is against everything the Word of God teaches.

"Abigail, the point I was making, again was, "I would encourage you to learn the Scriptures, don't just post them."
Your proof texts of Ezek.33:11 and 2Pet.3:9 to rebuke my statement "God Loves All Sinners is a false view promoted by Arminians." is not any proof text at all.
You post Scripture's faster than Jack Van Impe speaks them in every discussion. This is not ***understanding*** Scripture, it is quoting or pasting (in your case) Scripture.
If you just post Scripture by doing key word searches, and don't have any idea what the Scripture means in the context of Scripture, please take my advice, "I would encourage you to learn the Scriptures, don't just post them."
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You are wrong about me doing word searches and posting Scriptures. I know the Scriptures. The Word of God speaks plainer than any person can.

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? (Eze 33:11)

" Believers are justified by faith alone.
Works are NOT FAITH.
Works follow faith, but they are NOT FAITH."
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Works are the outgrowth and proof of faith. There is no faith without works, and works without faith are from the carnal mind.

Abraham's faith was made perfect by his works. (James 5:22)

Jam 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

" "I've never doubted that I made the right decision. Ed and I married in September 2002, and have a much nicer lifestyle as a result of not having children.
"We love walking and hiking, and we often go away for weekends.
"Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we've just come back from South Africa.
"We feel we can have one long-haul flight a year, as we are vegan and childless, thereby greatly reducing our carbon footprint and combating over-population. "
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You are hedonistic. You were created to honor and glorify God in all you do and say. You were not created to love yourself and the world. If you ever found THE WAY, you are lost now.

" Clearly, you are ignorant to this fact because 1) you hate church history; 2) you hate the reformers; 3) you love your pride that your interpretations are 21st century new and alone unique; and 4) you are a fundamental, dispensational, Arminian/Semi-Pelagian independent Baptist. I know you take great pride in being a independent Baptist as your teachings on this site will never come with any discipline, as most Baptists I don't believe engage in any church discipline unless it is absolutely necessary. Obviously, your minister must be a similar dispensational, arminian/semi-pelagian Pastor as you have mentioned before you actually teach in your church. Thus, no chance for correction coming from your camp."
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What church discipline do the Calvinists enforce? The are judicially pronounced righteous by Christ's imputed righteousness. They do not need to repent—they do not believe in works—they are eternally saved—cannot lose their salvation no matter what they do. The only discipline they enforce is to believe in their doctrine of TULIP!!

"Honestly, I believe all the things about sin...but again, how we can be more like Jesus...and less like his worst enemies...the p-h-a-r-i-s-e-e-s."
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The Pharisees were not promoting the truth. They were liars and false prophets that did not recognize their Messiah and were trying to put Him to death.

1Ki 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1Ki 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1Ki 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2Ki 23:7 And he broke down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Isa 60:18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

" Abigail,
Just wondering,
I was going by your definitions. I got exactly what I expected, smoke, but no substance. I guess we can put this baby to rest in realizing that you can make up definitions, but no one else can.
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Can you prove that "world" in "God so loved the world" does not mean the entire human race?

Lurker—can you prove that "world" in "God so loved the world" does not mean the entire human race?

" Abigail, I just saw your post after writing to R.K. YOU are just a master at twisting people' comments to feed your own fleshly lusts. I would ask you to read Masters article and put some perspective into your Scripture proof posting that often don't have any direct reference to the point you are trying to make. I would encourage you to learn the Scriptures, don't just post them."
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What fleshly lusts? Lusts of the flesh is desire to gratify the five senses. Whose comments have I twisted? I have twisted no one's comments. You need to make your complaints more definite. You are a false accuser. I have spoken the truth of God's written word, which you despise. The reason you do not want me to post Scripture is because you cannot debate the Word of God. The Word of God is powerful and sharper than any two edged sword.

" Abigail,
Just wondering,
I didn't give the word "world" any definition. I was pointing out the double standard that you were using in giving the word your own definition when you condemned others for doing the same thing.
You posted the definitions as,
"Definition of World
1 The earth.
2 The universe.
3 The earth with its inhabitants.
4 The inhabitants of the earth; the human race."
Can you show me where any of your definitions point to every man, woman, and child individually? The closest you come is "the inhabitants of the earth; the human race". However, that definition seems to be all inclusive, not individual.
Just wondering (the first one)"
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Everyone except the Calvinists know what the Scripture means when it states that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Get real!!

" God Loves All Sinners is a false view promoted by Arminians."
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God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. It is His desire that the wicked turn from his wicked ways and be saved. He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Today is the day of salvation and today God is calling all men to come to repentance.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

“…and this he was to enter upon that very day; which shows, that Christ's soul did not descend into hell, locally and literally considered, or into the "Limbus Patrum", the Papists talk of, to fetch the souls of the patriarchs thence, but as soon as it was separated from the body was taken up into heaven; and also, that the souls of departed saints are immediately, upon their separation from the body, there;”"
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When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign, He said that no sign would be given them except the sign of Jonah. He said that as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, He would be in the heart of the earth.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus words coupled with Eph 4:8-10 that states that He descended first into the lower parts of the earth before He ascended, and I Pet 3:18-20 states He preached to the spirits in prison that perished in the days of Noah attest to the fact that He was in hell.

Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (speaking of Jesus).

" God Loves Every Sinner writes:
"Last time I checked my Bible, there is nothing that states that God allows only an arbitrary few to be saved. In fact it states the complete opposite."
Unfortunately, he does not spend a lot of time in Scripture otherwise he/she would clearly see he is in error.
One example:
'FOR MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN.' (Matt. 22:14)
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Many are called but few are chosen. The parable of the sower shows who are chosen. (Mat 13:18-23)

1. Received seed by wayside—understood not and Satan took away word sown in heart.
2. Received seed in stony places—has no root, endureth for a while, but because of persecution and tribulation falls away.
3. Received among thorns—hears word, but care of world, deceitfulness of riches choke word and it becomes unfruitful.
4. Received seed into good ground—hears the word, understands, and bears fruit, and brings forth some one hunderdfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The few that are chosen are the ones that receive the Word in good ground.

" Abigail,
Just wondering,
Verse launching will get you nowhere. Where does the Bible ever define the world as every man, woman, and child individually?
Just wondering (the first one)"
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World means world. Where in the Bible can you define world as election? If the Word of God proves nothing, you are beyond help.

Q" How is an OT believer righteous and just Romans 4: 5, but faith in what Romans 3: 10-26?"

A Although the OT saints were not regenerated, they were righteous by faith in God and His covenant by keeping His laws, statutes, and commandments. The sacrifices they offered in atonement for their sins foreshadowed the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. By faith and obedience to God's laws they were righteous. They kept the precepts of God with the knowledge given them by God. They were not righteous in the sense of righteousness of the NT saints because the law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. By the law came knowledge of sin, but by Jesus Christ came the knowledge of holiness. The rebirth (regeneration) was introduced by Jesus Christ after His death, burial, and resurrection when He left the Spirit of Truth that would indwell the Saints and which occurred on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2:4. The prophecies were fulfilled that foretold of God writing His laws in their hearts, and He would be their God and they would be His people.

"…if Jesus died spiritually, what did he have to do to be born-again? What did he have to do to be regenerated and raised from the dead?"
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During the time between the burial of Christ and His resurrection, He was in hell preaching to the captives. He said that he had power to lay His life down and power to take it again which was given Him by His Father.

Joh 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Eph 4:8-10 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things).

Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that **all [men]** through him might believe.

Joh 5:23 That **all [men]** should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw **all [men]** unto me.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth **all men every where** to repent:

Q" Why did Abraham not pray for all of Sodom but only for the righteous in genesis 18 and how is Lot called a just and righteous man in 2 Peter 2?

A Why question the Word of God in 2 Pet 2, which states that Lot was a just and righteous man and that the sins of the Sodomites vexed his righteous soul from day to day? People judge Lot because he had offsprings by his daughters. The law had not been given and from the beginning people married their relatives of necessity because there were no other people on the earth. Abraham did not pray for all of Sodom because he was in communion with God and knew the will of God. Abraham knew the voice of God and obeyed instantly. Therefore, he was called the friend of God.

Q"Watch them teach this: "... and as many as believed were ordained to eternal life.' and ignore what the Bible clearly teaches: "AND AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED." (Acts 13:48)"

A The ordination of the Saints is according to the foreknowledge of God. God knew from the foundation of the world the hearts of humanity. He knew us before we were born. He knew the hearts that would heed the Gospel and the hearts that would love darkness rather than light.
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Q"Deut 7: 6-8 is Israel chosen to be a special people simply because God chose to love them or they chose to love HIM?"

A Israel was a chosen people because they were the progeny of Abraham. They were recipients of the Abrahamic Covenant. They were the descendants of Isaac and Jacob that were chosen to produce the "seed" (Jesus Christ) through which all nations of the world would be blessed.
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Q"If so with a few exceptions why did God not love then the rest of the world as we read the OT?"