Here you go with your entirely predictable answer.
Let me remind you: you claimed that your view was "mainline Christianity". That JUST IS a claim about current - and previous - belief in the majority of churches.
That claim is false.

"How about dealing with the covenants?"
I have done that repeatedly; it's just that you don't like what I have had to offer.
It appears that only when I agree with the quasi-divine Casob/JD can I be said (in your view) to have dealt with any subject, covenants or otherwise.

Casob wrote:
You and MurrayA are exhibiting a form of lack of understanding of the most simple truths that I have ever witnessed in what is usually called mainline Christianity.

Yet you come along and tell us that it is "mainline" - only because your crowd has hijacked the term for your own agenda.

"I am proving my points from the Scripture in a systematic way..."
Yeah, and so do the JWs, Christadelphians, and Oneness Pentecostals!

Casob wrote:
"Furthermore, you say that "The DAY of the Lord" is not 1 particular, terrible day, but rather a period of 7 years? Is that what you're saying? If so, that's NOT being a good literalist, is it."
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It is hard for me to comprehend that a man who is in the charge of spiritual souls would know so little about a subject that he would make a comment like this exposing gross ignorance

Now cut the bluff and bluster, and answer the objection. You accuse me of spiritualising everything, and looking for other than literal interpretations, yet on the Day of the Lord (assuming that the expression in the OT prophets refers to the same thing as it does in the NT, which incidentally I along with many theologians deny) for me a day is a day, but for you it is a 7-year period.

I've gone through that issue with JD before and got nowhere. He organises interpretations, and levels charges at others, to suit himself. I insisted to him that for me, in this respect a day meant a day. But he says 'no', because it doesn't suit his Dizzy-spin-sational system.

DJC49, you can't be excommunicated if you were never there in the first place! However, wrath is indeed reserved for you, you wicked blasphemer!
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jago,
You cited Gen.42:6, I think you mean Isa.42:6 (and a very similar text in Isa.49:6 too).

You are indeed right, but this announcement anticipates the New Covenant, made for both Jews and Gentiles, and ratified and guaranteed by the mediator Christ Jesus. See Heb.9:15

What I was getting at was the way Christianity is marginalised in Western countries today: Christianity is ruled out of the public arena in any way, and ignored. When persecution rages at least its position is recognised - as a threat - and attempts made to stamp it out.

Casob wrote:
The tribulation is a predicted time which God has reserved for this purpose and the end will be that multitudes will be converted including many of Israel and an unnumbered multitude who are saved will be martyred Re 7:9-17. They will be required to believe the gospel of the kingdom which is preached by God's chosen men of this time and those who believe it will reject the world kingdom of the Satan indwelt Anti-Christ will suffer intense persecution, starvation, and death. There is no chance for one who aligns himself with this government by taking his mark to be saved.

The truly wonderful things that will happen in this tribulation are quite astounding! Is it really a tribulation at all: unprecedented multitudes converted; the Gospel of the kingdom preached on a scale never before achieved; and Christianity at such a status, albeit reviled by the world, that it has rarely before achieved - and all in a 7-year period!!!

Good idea! If they come to my doorstep in my part of the world I will certainly be giving a Bible and a piece of genuine Christian literature in exchange. That's been my procedure with JWs and Mormons for a long time.

JD, say that to a mirror, and heed your own advice (if you can).

I posted a clear statement with appeal to Gal.3:7 and 3:14. What do I get in reply? The usual statements of Dispensational dogma, replete with citations, relevant or otherwise, of Bible verses, but no real argumentation. And you tell us to "think things through"!

Waffle, waffle, waffle!

And I also posted Rom.4:13 -
"2. That promise to the children of Abraham is now THE WORLD, Rom.4:13! Get it?? Who cares a twig about a sliver of land at the eastern end of the Mediterranean when we are promised the world!! And we are!"

However, I note that Casob/JD still ducks, weaves, and ignores. When he can't answer my challenges he resorts to the "allegorising" charge; when that fails he tries the "illogical" label; now he brings in a total red herring, viz. the "Calvinism" bogeyman (as in 5/18/08 8:43 AM).

Meanwhile, I note that he tries the same tactic against you as against me, viz. the "scoffing" charge, when all you have been employing is the same reductio ad absurdam argument form as I have tried to use myself. But he still doesn't get it.

I suggest that your virulent opposition to me is that I see through your fundamental assumptions, and am consistent in my rejection of Disp'ism and adherence to amillennialism. The others you talk about are merely inconsistent: accepting some of your outlook while rejecting other parts.

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Casob/JD,
You complain about me and others scoffing at your Dispensationalism as if that's a refutation. Well, it is! I asked you once before, have you ever heard of reductio ad absurdam - the argument form that shows by internal contradictions and absurdities that a proposition or system cannot be true? Apparently not, because you just bore on with your system despite DJC49 and others attempting to show you by precisely this method that you have to rethink that system.

He insists that the America which won World War II no longer exists; that America will be spewed out of its land because of its wickedness just like both Israel and other nations (He's right there - I am currently going through the judgments on the nations in Jer.46-51 in my own reading); that what happened in California will soon spread across the country; that "hate speech" laws will follow quickly after that, and First Amendment rights will no longer apply.

While he refused to "do the Hal Lindsey thing", he nevertheless did intimate that this could well be the path to Antichrist.
My friends, be watchful, and do not be taken up in any way, shape, or form with the corruption which is overtaking the world, and prepare for a withering time of world-wide persecution, beyond which is the visible Second Coming in glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

http://www.adamthwaite.com.au/html/history_kjv_ii.html

Question: then why hasn't this made multitudes of others - non-Dispensationalists, who believe the covenantal structure of the Bible as much (and more!) as you claim to do - into Dispensationalists?

The in Exod.19:3-6 Israel was to be God's own possession, but only if they kept His covenant.

Finally, Moses made it clear that Israel would keep the land only if she obeyed, Deut.28:63-68.

The long commentary in 2 Kings 17 makes it abundantly clear that because of persistent disobedience and apostasy Israel lost the land of promise, and were carted away to Assyria and various lands of the empire, where they lost their identity.

After the Exile of the southern Kingdom there were prophetic promises of restoration, but these were fulfilled in the return beginning with the decree of Cyrus (cf. the specific mention by name in Isa.44:28 & 45:1).