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1/25/08 9:17 PM |
Derek | | Missouri | | | |
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Michael - thank you. I just seem to believe Jesus when he said "I will build my church..." If he is telling the truth (and he is), then it must be that it was in existence before, during, and after Rome, and the Reformation.I know a missionary in India, and from India, Sam Thomas, who told me that their last name came to them because of the Apostle Thomas who went down into southern India. Many were saved, including his family, and they took Thomas' name as their own. Now, the line of believers are still in India, despite the Reformation. How did Calvin help India? The church was already there. Oh ya... they are Baptists |
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1/25/08 8:07 PM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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Neil - you said: "So who were the true church before the Reformation? Waldensians, Hussites, & Lollards, at least, and possibly Paulicians. Not sure about the Cathars, as Catholic historians claim they were nothing like Christians, but few survived the massacres to refute this..."I am sorry I didn't want to take the time to get into this seeing the mindset of most on this site is fixed. You are correct with your line of believers before Rome. I know many "Reformed" do not accept B.H. Carrol's work, the Trail of Blood, but he mentions these groups. But the question remains: Reformed from what? And why didn't the Reformers join the already existing Church? Concerning Annabaptists - you are correct and I was incorrect. I have a friend I meet on job-sites throughout the country who is an Annabaptist pastor. He gave me their history, which was very interesting. They are very active in street preaching, and live very seperated lives. I count him as a Godly man. He made a very interesting point one day. He said: "No one has ever been martyred for being a Christian; they were martyred because they wouldn't shut up about it." I know this is not totally conclusive, but I think he was right generally. |
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1/25/08 6:15 PM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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I am sorry - but your history is incorrect. I have done much study on the matter, and maybe it would be good if you did also. As for Roger Williams and John Clarke, you are correct, but there were Annabaptists before these men that held the same beliefs, namely, Believers Baptism AFTER salvation. And Baptists never protested Rome because they were never in Rome.Question: where was the Church before the Reformation? Rome could not have been a valid Church just gone astray. And if those who protested Rome left, why didn't they join themselves with the already existing church? No use arguing though, you're settled on your opinion, as you are sure I'm settled on mine. good day. |
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1/25/08 4:41 PM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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Minnow - I posted this earlier:It was Luther who said: "...they (Anabaptists) are not only blasphemous but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them. For it is the will of God, that he shall have judgement who resistith the power." (Arthur B. Strickland, Roger WIlliams (Boston: The Judson Press, 1919) p.72 ) Obviously he did not know the will of God!!! And it was John Clark Ridpath, Methodist Historian, who stated: "I should not readily admit that there was a Baptist church as far back as 100 A.D., although without doubt there were Baptist churches then, as all Christians were Baptists. -W.A. Jarrell, Baptist Church Perpetuity or History(Dallas, TX: By the Author, 1894) Quote taken from "The Coming Destruction of the Baptist People" James A. Beller, 2005. There are many more qoutes from NON-Baptists about the Baptist people. Who is rewriting history |
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1/25/08 7:08 AM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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Moderator Alpha:So what line was it you didn't like? Becuase it is a fact that Calvin was a murderer of Baptists that rejected his doctrine. And that's what happens when you have a fatalistic belief system - like the Muslims. |
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1/24/08 9:52 PM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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Alan - did God not know that many WOULD receive him? (and I know what Arthur Pink points out about the word "know")?If someone is on death row, and someone who is innocent comes forward to take his place, who says that if the death row inmates rejects the offer, that the one who offered is not worthy of praise. Does it lessen the credibility of the offerer? Maybe that is how big of a sacrifice Jesus made. You are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Either he knew who would be saved, so he died for them, or he didn't know, and just did it any way. Why couldn't he shed his blood for all, AND also know who would receive him? How much more condemnation the rejecting world will have at the judgement knowing that they could have been saved, but chosed their sin instead. And, what is the point of a judgement when the one's being judged were made to do what they did. It's like judging a cow for not flying and saying "bad cow, didn't you know I wanted you to fly, but didn't want you to?" How twisted. So the lost world will be judged for rejecting Christ, although they had no means to do otherwise? It's called personal responsibility, to which most do not want to take. And it's called tempting God. Study that one out just for fun |
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1/24/08 7:04 PM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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A chosen elect saint:Huh I think you missed my point. And I didn't say anything about an enemy of Jesus Christ, I said an enemy of Calvinists. And if you say that people on this site don't consider us (IFB non-calvinists) enemies, then you are lying to yourself. Chill out! |
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1/24/08 5:55 PM |
derek | | Missouri | | | |
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