Thanks for the quick reply. I don't intend to obfuscate but I'd like to reply with 2 questions.

1. Is it possible to conceive of capitalism without some form of incorporation? I'd be interested to consider positive historical examples.

2. Aside perhaps from the unique and once and for all penal substitution of Christ for his people, where do we positively see in scripture an example of a "separate legal person" set forth as an example for "all men" to follow?

I haven't come across any discussion of this subject, sober or otherwise. My own observations came about from reviewing much that has been written against against corporate/communal/big government. To me scripture describes some degree of corporate government as normal -e.g. "For kings, and for all that are in authority" - yet Christians often rail against government precisely for that communal basis. It's the absence of similar criticism of business corporations that I find striking. Perhaps sinners simply prefer to bite the hand that taxes rather than the hand that feeds?

Neil wrote:
Mike, what's unchristian about capitalism? Please explain.

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The modern teaching that you need to be "more aggressive" to be effective in work and life is a plague on society and alien to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Mike wrote:
When the state grants itself privilege, I don't have a problem questioning its validity.

Minnow wrote:
All authority comes from God.

Mike wrote:
Someone ran into a telephone pole near here recently. Bush's fault.

GG wrote:
I see that you coulda married Cleopatra...you're the King of Denial. Letting foreigners run for President is a bad idea...Obama is as close as we get. Having the US split from the Mother Country is probably one reason that the US could save Britain from the Nazi's.

When I take your logic and return it back to you with interest, then I am merely paying homage to the true King of Denial and will entertain no pretenders to your throne.

Why ask new citizens to swear alliegance to the USA and then assume them to be unfit to govern? - thereby deeming them to be more likely to be traitors than second, third or tenth generation immigrants.

Biblical due process requires the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt. People should only be debarred for actual crimes committed or mental incapacity.

The US system is based on prejudice and morally reprehensible.

GG wrote:
If one Catholic can bring down the relm, then it wasn't much of a relm to begin with...was it?

In 6 years of reading these forums the only argument posted on here for the American Revolution that had any potential biblical merit at all was the one that claimed Britain had effectively abandoned her government of it.

GG wrote:
Not allowing a British Prince or Princess to marry the person of his or her choosing because of their religion isn't about justice, equality and discrimination? England has certainly fallen on hard times...perhaps you would have faired better as papists?

It's their free choice.

GG wrote:
Its about time that Britain put aside its trepidation of the papist 'Hob-Gobbin'

GG wrote:
and embraced justice for all its citizens.

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According to Magna Carta there are rights that belong to all "free men", which thankfully today means all men and now also all women.

Indigenous peoples should not amount to "anything" more than any other citizen, resident or travelling stranger within the gate. That's what "American/British Christian" culture tells us.

King John and the nobles of that time were many things but they were hardly liberals.

There are many immigrant Christians of many cultures who have been an unmitigated blessing to both the UK and the USA. Their non-indigenous Christian children have also been a blessing.

Mike - Is it a sin for a white Christian to marry a black or Asian or Latino Christian, have children and dilute or stir an indigenous "pot"? Some people who claim to be Christian would say that it was a sin. What say you? I say a resounding no! What do the scriptures say?