1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Ep 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, (As children) being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

How quick will it happen?

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Is this comforting news?

Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Ep 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Are there specials promises of deliverance for the children of God?

1 Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

What does it mean that Christ is the firstfruits?

Eph 1:5 (God the Father) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ga 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

How is one who believes in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection, put into the church, the body of Christ?

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Are ones in the body individual functioning members in the body?

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Are the members parts of the collective oneness of the body?

Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Was this a physical birth or a spiritual birth by the power of the Spirit?

Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again

What is required for entrance into the church of Jesus Christ?

Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named (Christian)

What is Christ’s exalted position over the church?

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Why is he the head of the church, the family of God?

How can this be? The Son of the Highest? His father David?

Does he not sit now on the throne of the Highest?

Where is this throne of David?

When will it be given to him?

Is this a true promise from the Highest to his Son?

How long will it be given to him?

How will he rule?

Re 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast

Where will the throne of God be in the eternal state?

Re 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Re 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Ac 1:4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me.

Mt 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Where is God the Son now?

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Where is the throne of God?

Re 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne.

Re 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Ps 11:4 The LORD [is] in his holy temple, the LORD’S throne [is] in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Perhaps those on here that are not sure they are saved, and I think probably those who lose their salvation are probably not sure, are maybe not saved in the first place.

The Scriptures teaches us that the one who saves us and indwells us witnesses to us that we are the children of God and gives us sweet peace about it.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

God is not a liar. He does not give believers conditional life, he gives the believer eternal life.

Someone should attempt to explain how God gives eternal life that can be lost or taken back. How is that eternal?

Some people who have been taught this wicked lose salvation doctrine have been saved and are listening to the wrong people and some people have never been believers because, as they say themselves, they do not believe!

Maybe you should define salvation. There is a good chance the charismatics on here are speaking a different language.

If my salvation could have been forfieted, I would not have been saved. Would you? If so, what were you saved from or to? One would have to find another term. like say, perseverance or something. That way you could say I failed to persevere.

"For you to surmise that because many of us will not publish the means God used to bring us to complete surrender to His will; to a point where death was preferred and continually contemplated rather than continuing to live in utter hopelessness; that somehow means we have not experienced God’s love and mercy is humorous at best."

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed (The dispensations, etc), and the bounds of their habitation;(Their national boundaries)
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Yes, God is sovereign and omniscient in his dealings with mankind and has given us the very most opportunity for salvation that those divine attributes could afford.

His reason for the division of the nations are clearly stated, That they might seek the Lord, a concept some religions deny as being impossible.

I would like to respond to Joe's comments but not in defense of prevenient grace, whatever that is. It is not bible terminology.

To the nations, God wrote this:

Ac 17:30 And the times of this ignorance (False religion) God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

If God's will and desires are not in what he commands, where are they? If he does not really desire all men everywhere to repent as he commands, why are we judged by his commandments? And can we not simply dismiss his commandments without fear of his displeasure?

A serious question is raised. If God is sovereign and commands all men everywhere to repent and most of them refuse, does that not indicate that men are stronger than a sovereign God in resisting his will? Or does it mean that God has given men a choice and made them responsible for their decision, even to judgment? Or does it mean that God is using the terms all and everywhere in a relative fashion and they are not really expressing his will that all men everywhere repent, but only that some do so

Thanks for your explanation to my question and I think I agree that the general context of the statement does not demand that he will draw all, each and every man, who ever lives after he is lifted up although there is a clear statement that at least once in history every man had heard the gospel.

We know for instance that these words were spoken during the last week of Jesus earthly ministry. He uttered them in response to a request by some Greeks to have an audience with him, which apparently he denied for the reason that his ministry would not include them until he began to draw all men unto himself.

He mentions the prince of this world being cast out and he would invade his sronghold, which are the nations, by drawing them to himself by the gospel.

It is not hard to understand that Jesus' earthly ministry was very limited in it's scope. It was to Israel and the Father was drawing those of Israel to Jesus as the promised Messiah (He presented himself as King) even as he spoke these words. But not for long. He would soon be drawing individuals to himself as the savior from their sins, and not them only.