Mr. Dispy wrote:
That amills call for repentance is good. That they deny other parts of revealed truth is bad.

"Most AMs interpret the book of Revelation according to what is called progressive parallelism. “According to this view, the book of Revelation consists of seven sections which run parallel to each other, each of which depicts the church and the world from the time of Christ’s first coming to the time of his second,”

JJ wrote:
and Amillenialists have a problem with Christ coming to the air to take away the church,saying that there is just the second actual coming to earth
interesting

Jack Jarvis wrote:
that's a lie-plain and simple,and I think even you know it

It is an embarrassment to the Dispensational Rapture/Premillennilist factory, yes, but even Darby tried to change the truth about Margaret MacDonald and failed.

Premillennialism/chiliasm before the MacDonald/Darby/Scofield hypothesis was nothing like the modern Dispensationalist enterprise. It has been reshaped, reconfigured and reconstructed to be what it now is. Error and fallacy!

Mike wrote:
True. Some of them might even be Amills.

Jack Jarvis wrote:
I see the name Hoekema mentioned earlier
I was supplied with some pamphlets written by this guy when I was considering changing churches
I have to say that as I read them,I found them to be the biggest load of claptrap I have ever encountered
needless to say,I didn't go to his church.
as you say GK,souded very cult-ish

Hoekema is a good Biblical Amillennialist getting his facts direct from Scripture.

Whereas the Rapturous-PreMill's get there "truth" from a young lady in Scotland who had a vision in 1830.

Just goes to show how gullible some people can be in religion.

NB Also there is a series.

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GK wrote:
http://www.raptureview.

listen and learn

Robert wrote:
Even John MacArthur, the ablest of the modern Calvinists, is pre-trib and pre-mill. I suppose he's part of the bogus MacDonald - Darby - Scofield conspiracy as well, though.

But there it is, not everybody is perfect in every way.

GK wrote:
dispy.....please....

dig some of these "folks from down tha hawl" and let's have some of this trumpeted contravention of yours, then

Of course the simplest way is to truthfully answer the question "Why does God require a further 1000 years to work out who is Elect and Who is not?"

If God is omnipotent omniscient and sovereign then the answer should be obvious. But not everybody is perceptive enough to use common sense here!

One = Jesus returns.
Two = Judgment.

GK wrote:
dear oh dear-the never ending saga of Darby as pre trib promulgator
MYTH!!!
Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."
One post-trib author offered a reward to anyone who could find a quote that predated MacDonald. He had to quickly cough up the money when someone identified a scholar who wrote about the pre-trib rapture several years before MacDonald. As of late, dozens of examples have been found, and the literary surface has hardly been scratched.

Robert wrote:
The basis for doctrine is the Bible, not fallible men.

So why do you believe the 19th century Dispy teachings of the "prophetess" Margaret MacDonald, her so called "visions", Darby, Scofield etc etc who invented all this UNBiblical PreTrib, Rapture junk??

Quote;
"As one looks through church history, he is astounded at the nearly total silence about a "pre-tribulation" rapture. But in 1830, a single "prophecy" was picked up by one movement leader and began to spread. At about this same time, the one called the "father of modern Dispensationalism" got wind of Margaret Macdonald's dream, and paid her a visit. He listened well, then went home and made some changes, incorporating it into his own theories about the end times.

Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
DENY The Pre-Tribulation Rapture

John Yurich USA wrote:
We are not yet in the Great Tribulation Period because the Temple in Jerusalem has to be reconstructed first and at present time the Dome Of The Rock Islamic Mosque is occupying the space where the Temple must be reconstructed. We are nearing the time that the Dome Of The Rock Islamic Mosque will be demolished and the Temple be reconstructed.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
The third resurrection will come seven years later at the second stage of His second coming to earth, with the resurrection of the rest of the believers which includes the Old Teatament saints - Daniel 12:1-2 and the Tribulation saints - Revelation 20:4.

Lastly 1000 years later 'comes the end' when the resurrection of all unbelievers will occur - Revelation 20:11-15 when they will face Christ at the Great White Throne judgment for sentencing to eternal hell.

Only TWO resurrections. Jesus first - followed by.......

John UK wrote:
"For the amillennialist there is no future restoration of Israel in a biblical or prophetic sense. The rebirth of Israel in 1948 is no more or less significant than the creation of any new nation in any part of the world.

It took one of the worlds most incredibly evil events "holocaust" to provoke the nation group Israel to return to their former lands.

But Jews have been persecuted throughout history, eg middle ages in Europe, Africa, Russia etc.

Quote;
"During the High Middle Ages in Europe there was full-scale persecution in many places, with blood libels, expulsions, forced conversions and massacres. A main justification of prejudice against Jews in Europe was religious. Jews were frequently massacred and exiled from various European countries. The persecution hit its first peak during the Crusades. In the First Crusade (1096) flourishing communities on the Rhine and the Danube were utterly destroyed;"

A Bible Christian Who Believes wrote:
THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE IS A PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE FACT OF CHRIST'S FAITH !
THE O.T. PROPHETS, JESUS, HIS APOSTLES & STUDENTS TAUGHT IT IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES & WRITINGS

"The teaching that the Church would be raptured to heaven just prior to a time called the great tribulation was not known prior to the 1800’s. It is inconceivable that the Church could have endured through the centuries without some voice being raised in support of this doctrine, if it does have any validity. Since no voice spoke out in favor of this doctrine, the only conclusion possible is that the Church did not teach this in the beginning, and that it should not be teaching it now. It is rank heresy."