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"You forgot to mention 2 Chronicles 4:22 and Genesis 1:1 to prove your point.
Yes, anyone can cut and paste scripture passages without any consideration of context.
Now tell me speaking of what God stating what he means and picking a verse that actually deals with the argument, what part of " whether there be tongues, they shall cease" do you find so hard to understand from I Corinthians 13:8?"
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No theological explanation can prove that I Cor 13:8 states the gifts of the spirit have ceased. I know they have not because I have experienced and do experience some of them.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

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" who both absolutely refuse to allow God to mean what he states and state what he means.
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Why don't your believe the Word of God then?

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (Mar 16:17)

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mar 16:18)

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (1Co 12:7)

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; (1Co 12:8)

To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; (1Co 12:9)

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: (1Co 12:10)

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (1Co 12:28)

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I could not help but smile after reading your prayer… you do know that it is common knowledge that almost all Arminians do actually pray like they were Calvinists…as reading your posts today below make me convinced you have no earthly idea about Amazing Grace!
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We have devotion, honor, and gratitude to the Sovereign Holy God even as Calvinists claim to have. The difference is, we submit ourselves to the Redeemer of our own free will because we love Him and appreciate the price He paid for our salvation with redemption from hell. We give our lives a living sacrifice to Him because He gave Himself a dying sacrifice for us. We were wayward, sinful, creatures caring for nothing but self until He shined His glorious light of the Gospel into our hearts revealing the truth of self and Himself. The infilling of the Holy Ghost gives us awesome reverence, respect, and fear of the Sovereign God that is greatly to be feared because He is a consuming fire.

We use the same words as you but we speak a different language because of our understanding of the Amazing Grace and infinite knowledge, wisdom, and love the Almighty God wants to share with His creatures through His Word, Spirit, and gifts.

Jesus called the disciples from the world and from the worldly order. They followed—of their own free will. Had they not followed, he would have chosen others to continue the work He started during His ministry and ordained that His ministers should carry the Gospel to the nations.

Jesus said they had not chosen Him, but He had chosen them. Many are called but few are chosen. The chosen are those that willingly follow. They are the elect. All the saints of God are the elect because they have responded to His love.

The love of God is a compelling force that the human heart responds to when the gospel is preached and the price of salvation paid by our loving, precious Savior on the Cross of Calvary is revealed to their hearts through the preaching of the Word accompanied by the convicting power of God.

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" John 8:31,32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
1 John 2:27,28
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
So let me ask you why do Calvinsts desire to turn people away from studying the Scriptures for themselves first?"
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Excellent Post, Michael

1. He was a fully surrendered man
2. He was a man of prayer
3. He was a deep and practical student of the Bible
4. He was a humble man
5. He had entire freedom from the love of money
6. He had a consuming passion for the salvation of the lost
7. He was definitely endued with power from on high

July 8, 1894, the closing day of the Northfield Student's Conference—the gathering of the students from the eastern colleges. He spoke on "The Baptism With the Holy Spirit and How to Get it."

He had the students gather at 3:00PM upon a mountainside.

Mr. Moody said, "Young men, I can't see any reason why we shouldn't kneel down here right now and ask God that the Holy Ghost may fall upon us just as definitely as He fell upon the apostles on the Day of Pentecost. Let us pray."

Heavy clouds began gathering over Northfield and raindrops began to fall—but there was another cloud and the Holy Ghost fell upon us. Men and women, that is what we all need the Baptism with the Holy Ghost.

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"Abigail, Paul was evidently aware of heresies then as now. Read the history of the Mormons(angels talking to Joseph Smith and then we have the Book of Mormon). Read about all the apparitions in Catholic experience(angels, saints, and so on telling people to do this or that, often times contrary to the scriptures). Galatians 4 clearly show the problem among the Galatians…Who went to hell? Unless the Apostle says who went to hell I can't give you an answer. Those who are accursed will be in hell.
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Angels talking to Joseph Smith and the apparitions in false religions have nothing to do with the holy angels of God. They are ministers of Satan. The holy angels of God are ministering spirits according to Heb. 1:14.

Are [the angels] not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? (Heb 1:13-14).

The Galatians were holy saints of God. They were new converts that needed correction because of false teachers that had come in with perversions of the gospel. Paul's closing remark in his letter to them is "Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen." (Gal 6:18)
Paul could not address them as brethren if they were not.

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"Taking a look at Galatians 1 and 4 it's evident the heresies plaguing the Roman and Orthodox Catholic churches were alive then also: Angels with messages, observing days, abstaining from certain foods, celibate clergy, etc. The Apostles called it another gospel and declared them accursed twice. "
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No angels with messages are recorded in Galatians. However, they were in the Book of Revelations—so
messages from angels is not anti-scriptural. Nothing about abstaining from certain foods or celibate clergy is found in Galatians 1-4.

Paul said even IF an angel from heaven preached another gospel, let him be accursed.

False ministers of the Jews had come among them and were perverting the gospel. Paul was issuing correction because of these heresies. Paul told of his conversion. He said in 1:20 that being crucified with Christ and Christ living in him is a life lived by the faith of the Son of God. He said he that works miracles among you does it by the hearing of faith.

He warned them against observance of days, months, times and years, which the false Jews brought in.

Speaking of the false Jews, he said they zealously affect you but not well.

Do you think they went to hell?

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"That said, I am confident they are convinced beyond any doubt that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Surely we are well advanced in the predicted time when God would send strong delusions on the order of the foolish Galatians. "
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The Galatians were pure saints in comparison to this modern generation.

Aren't you convinced beyond any doubt that you are right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong?

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"Self righteous. No need to go any further."
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Was Paul self righteous?

2 Co 11:23Are they ministers of Christ? I (speak as a fool) I am more; in labors more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

24Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

26In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

27In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

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"Q.144. What are the duties required in the ninth commandment?
A. The duties required in the ninth commandment are, the preserving and promoting of truth between man and man (Zech.viii.16), and the good name of our neighbour, as well as our own (3Jn.12); appearing and standing for the truth (Prov.xxxi.8-9); and from the heart (Ps.xv.2), sincerely (2Chron.xix.9), freely (1Sam.xix.4-5), clearly (Josh.vii.19), and fully (2Sam.xiv.18-20), speaking the truth, and only the truth, in matters of judgment and justice (Lev.xix.15, Prov.xiv.5 & 25),"
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Paul warned of evil men.

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. (1Ti 1:19-20)

Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words. (2Ti 4:14-15)

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"Spiritual and Abigail would make the Pharisees green with envy. "
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The Pharisees hated Jesus and were trying to put Him to death during His entire ministry. They were blind and did not accept Him as their Messiah. They said He was of the devil. Look at the castigation that Jesus spoke to them. How can you compare Spiritual to these vile men?

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. (Mat 23:4)

But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, (Mat 23:5)

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, (Mat 23:6)

And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. (Mat 23:7)

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. (Mat 23:13)

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. (Mat 23:14)

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"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, ***have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?***
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: ***depart from me, ye that work iniquity.***" (Matt.7:21-23)
It is amazing to see this testimony before our very eyes in this generation!"
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Because your do not believe in the gifts of the Spirit and the power of God you are unable to comprehend the meaning of this and many other Scriptures.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that **believe**; In my **name** shall they **cast out devils**; they shall speak with new tongues;

In the verses you are referring to, Jesus is saying to those who claim to do those things in His name while they have not crucified the flesh and are still living in iniquity to depart from Him, for He never knew them.

He is not saying that those who are truly walking in the Spirit and have the power that He promised are workers of iniquity because they are doing the wonders He promised.

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" However, let's discuss some sins just in your statements above; 1) I depise money and wealth; 2) I eat sparse and bare food and never for pleasure; 3) I have sold all of my goods and given them to the poor; 4) I have no private property."
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You are condemning the just.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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"It is a laughable thing indeed when the lesser and weaker deem themselves worthy to judge the superior and the stronger. While the inferior have sat in pews and recited dead confessions to one another I have selflessly served my neighbhors and the poorest of the poor on a daily basis. I have never fornicated. I have never commited adultery. I have never participated in acts of sodomy under the cloak of marriage. I have never struck an opponent. I depise money and wealth. I have done good to my enemies. I have cast out demons and devils. I eat sparse and bare food and never for pleasure. My relationships with women are pure and chaste. I do not discriminate or engage in any form of abominable racism. I have sold all of my goods and given them to the poor. I have no private property. I do no neglect the homeless."
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Astonishingly commendable, Spiritual!! Blessings to you!

Please pray that I may rise to such honorable love and holiness for the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Sorry if the think Im' in favour of the WCC and the pentecostals,but I am totally against those fools who think that coming together with pagans, papists, and every cult in the world who think they are christian.
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The WCC is an evil organization that is promoting ecumenism among all religions of the world. The Pentecostals that are involved with it are just as bad as the organization itself.

All Pentecostals are not to be categorized with that group.

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"If one does not understand Rome influence in the history of the Pentecostals, I would encourage you to study history carefully."
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Opponents of Pentecostalism have written many books, which I have not read. From my studies of the Pentecostal Movement, it began in the 1800's by some which were seeking holiness and godliness, and they were endued with the gift of the Spirit. The Pentecostal churches sprang up after the Azusa St. revival in LA, CA., in 1906. Catholicism had nothing to do with the movement. The humble people upon whom the Spirit fell studied the Word of God and prayed for revival. God answered their prayers with a mighty move of the Spirit.

The revival quickly waned because of contention of the flesh—which is always a trick of Satan to destory the work of God. It happened in the Book of Acts and it happens any time God outpours out His Spirit. Satan uses the weakness and short comings of the flesh in an attempt to destroy the work of God.
But God has a remnant that will not be deterred by Satan and will carry forth the message of salvation and holiness in the face of every foe.

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Good comment, Walt.
2Timothy 3
16 Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness.
17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.
2Timothy 4
2 preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts;
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1cp 12:4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

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Scripture says:
"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." (Rom.3:9-11)
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In this your testimony?

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Can you please tell me what Bible Version you are using for these beliefs you have developed?
Can I assume you believe it to be the most faithful translation into english based upon the underlying greek texts used in that version?
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Are you making an issue over translations of the Bible?