No offense meant, but you are wasting your time trying to convince this individual of anything. From many past dealings, I know from experience that you would best to "mark and avoid" and go with Titus 3:10, but insert "woman".

And no, I am not Rev if the curiosity still remains for some.

Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God OMNIPOTENT reigneth.

I agree with you. That is why I adhere to "study to shew myself approved unto God".

I also agree that those verses will unlikely change your mind, for your are approaching them with a preconcieved opinions and notions.

But... my wish is that all would just take the passage as it stands. But... in the same sense, I wish my father would get saved... yet I cannot make anyone do something that they do not choose to do.

Also, just as cults can be built on one verse, a man can be strengthened on one verse, a man can be saved with one verse, a man can be reproved of sin with one verse, etc. I am not claiming this passage to be the Gospel, but I will adhere to it wholeheartedly as best I can. The same goes for the rest of scripture.

You are right though, when you say, "your only change", for that is essentially what anyone who doesn't adhere to the literal application is doing, changing God's word.

When you state that "nobody else sees it that way" you only strengthen my stance. For one, the majority is almost always wrong. Two, I am a Baptist (not some SBC washup or Separate wannabe, but a true Heritage Baptist), my heritage is one of being a minority with many not "seeing it that way". And, that is okay, most of the world doesn't see things God's way. Most of the Chrisitans don't see things God's way.

Furthermore, you asked why the Bible doesn't specifically say what YOU want it to say. I would recommend reading Isa. 28:9-13, Heb. 4:12, 2 Pet. 3:15-16, etc. I would have gladly put those verses in here, but lack of space will not permit.

Yes, it is devisive, as most things of doctrinal substance. You also right that the passage serves no useful purpose to most, for most do not adhere to the scriptures, especially in practice. To those of us who do though, it is a very useful passage in order to "try the spirits" as God commands us to do.

HAHAHA. Always the jokester...

No wait, you weren't joking. The Cult IS faithful to her Lord the devil.