Your post
"I Corinthians 7:39 wrote:
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Till death (not fornication) do us part."
Is seems to me that Paul just approved of a lawful divorce???? "but and if she depart..." I thought Yamil and others said no divorce was lawful...What's Up With This?"
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In the verses you quote it is obvious that Paul is speaking of virgins. In the betrothal state, the husband is not loosed from a wife but if the betrothal is broken, he is free to marry another.

Now concerning **virgins** I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. (1Co 7:25)

I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. (1Co 7:26)

Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. (1Co 7:27)

But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. (1Co 7:28)

You wrest the Scriptures to your own destruction.

Your Post
"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you." (1Cor.7:27-28)"
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"Art thou loosed from a wife" does not state "are you divorced". Being loosed from a wife means the wife has died. You cannot rightly divide Scripture and you change the meaning of vital verses.

Your are propagating the lies that have been taught by liars for generations that lead millions to hell. You will not accept the simplicity of the Words of Christ and create a complex labyrinth of texts trying to explain away simple verses.

Your Post
"(in the one stated exception of fornication, a man does not commit adultery if he puts away his wife and marries another)."
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You take great pains to erradicate Jesus' Words and accommodate this evil generation.

Your post is irrelevant and fraudulent. Of the numerous divorced and remarried folks I have known, not one was for the reason of fornication. Using this as a valid reason for divorce and remarriage merely opens the door to accept anyone that has been divorced and remarried, regardless of the reason. Who interrogates the offenders to find the reason for their arrangement? In this sinful and adulterous society, rarely does anyone expect the female to be a virgin when she marries.

The terms "fornication" and "adultery" must be defined. Fornication is committed by unmarried people. Adultery is committed by married people—unfaithfulness to their mate.

The Scripture that states "except it be for fornication" is exemplified when Joseph was minded to put away Mary because she was with child. This exception was given under the Law of Moses because of hardness of heart.

Your Post
"Is it biblical to get a divorce if the adultry was with our own daughter? Or if I were to get a divorce and remarry would I be committing adulty and causing someone else to committ adultry?"
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This is a very sad and tragic case, but I have to tell you, dear one—you are not free to divorce and remarry. Pray for the father to repent and give his life to Jesus Christ.

Your Post
"What are you talking about Abigail???
Two wrongs???
I was referring to TWO PEOPLE getting married then one becomes a Christian the other does not. Thus if the non Christian decides to divorce, then there is NOTHING the Christian can do about it, is there?
Do you know what the experience of "young" love is like?
They may not seek God and His law because they may not be Christian, at that stage in their lives, if so then HE will not have an input.
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"Two wrongs???" means if a non Christian decides to divorce, and the remaining party remarries—that is two wrongs. The remaining party made a bad choice and must live with the choice they made—remaining single.

I know very well the experience of "young" love. If the "head in the clouds feeling" were love, it would last, but it does not.

Remarried parents are teaching their children, by their example, that marriage is not permanent, the Bible does not mean what it states, and do what feels good.

And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. Ezr 10:2-3)

Nyangao wrote:
Why should you be so smug about your ham eating? Don't you have any sympathy for our Muslim friends? As for Peter's vision, in Acts 10:28 Peter himself explains the meaning of the vision: "God has shown me that I should not call any MAN impure or unclean." The sheet came down three times, which symbolised the number of gentile men that were looking for him. God didn't somehow re-create pigs. They are just as unclean and harmful now as they were then. They are scavengers and therefore not fit for human consumption. We have only been given permission to eat animals with cloven hooves and that chew cud. Muslims often dismiss Christians as pig-eating drunkards, and sadly they are often right.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." (Rom 14:17)

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: (I Ti 4:3-4)

Your Post
" Because I happen to believe that every sin can be forgiven, even divorce. Two wrongs do not make a right. I would not make him commit the sin of divorce again so that he can return to his former woman.

Suffice it is that he recognizes that what he did was wrong! And with genuine repentance and sorrow develop a vengeance against the sin vowing not to do it again and encouraging others not to fall into the same pit."
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Your stance on this subject is promoting adultery. You are encouraging adultery by stating they can stay in their adulterous state with forgiveness.

The second divorce is not disobedience to God's laws because God does not recognize or sanction a second marriage—He stated it is adultery. The divorce is merely a legal formality for legal purposes. Repentance is to turn from your evil ways.

Can homosexuals stay in their relationships and genuinely repent with sorrow? Can fornicators continue in their fornication with compunction and sorrow of heart and be forgiven?

No one is sorry if they are enjoying the pleasures of their sins. Moreover, they have not forgiven their true mate and are disdainfully treating their suffering children for their own lusts and pleasure.

Your Post
"Two people enter into marriage. One may be a Christian or may become a Christian, not necessarily both. Divorce sadly may thus become a REALITY for them."
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Two wrongs do not make a right. If one person sins, that is no reason for the other to disobey God's commandments.

People marry carelessly. The become physically attracted and think they are in love, when, in REALITY, their "love" is a mixture of pride and lust. They are not seeking God and His will for their lives, but squander their time and themselves for the "feel-good" syndrone.

Ignorance of God's laws is no legitimate reason to disobey —even as ignorance of secular laws is no justification for acquittal.

People make their own bed—but they think God will make loopholes in His word to justify them in their sins and disobedience. Not so, my friend. HE SAID WHAT HE MEANS AND HE MEANS WHAT HE SAID. People can wrest the Scriptures and come up with their disillusionments and convince themselves they are saved but the GREAT JUDGMENT MORNING WILL TELL THE STORY.

Remarriage except for fornication (as writtent in Deut 24:1-4) is adultery. Repentance is to separate from your sinful state. God's word is not to be taken lightly--He expects us to obey if it costs us our lives.

Your Post
"Yamil…But that is not the issue but rather if one is abandoned, if ones spouse has remarried.
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Modern social custom has promoted divorce and remarriage with great exuberance. Entertainment with its scandalous entertainers has set the pace for the morality of the world. The percentage rate of divorce is much higher than the non-divorced. The Church is supposed to be the conscience of the nation, but alas, it has joined the world. Divorce and remarriage is endorsed by its silence, which is a voice of approval. Children are not taught that marriage is a God-ordained covenant between the partners because many parents are in a second, third, fourth, etc., etc., marriage. Thus, the divorce rate climbs higher and higher with the sanction of the churches.

You take one verse that Paul wrote to annul the many other Scriptures that teach the opposite. Paul is stating that if a mate leaves, the other mate is not held responsible and is not in bondage to sin and death because of the separation. The only God-ordained partnership in marriage is the first marriage—they are one flesh. All others are adultery. Reconciliation of the marriage is the requirement—unless the deserted mate chooses to stay single.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

Defender wrote:
Abigail, about time to bow down and kiss Spiritual's boots, don't you think?

Your Post
" 6] BUT we can resist.
7] We have free will to resist.
This seems paradoxical Abigail.
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I was brought up in Church. I have known the principles of Christianity since I was a child. However, I was not a Christian until I yielded my life to Jesus Christ at the foot of the cross—repenting of my sins, and was filled with the Holy Ghost.. During the time that I was rebellious and seeking my own will and way—the path of life—the way of truth—that had been instilled in my conscience in my childhood, coupled with the drawing power of the Holy Spirit, was ever present with me, convicting and condemning me of my sinful life; yet, I resisted for years.

In our weakness, God's strength is made perfect. I cried unto the Lord and He heard me and saved me from my wretched self and the power of the enemy. Your assumption that we cannot call upon the name of the Lord and be saved in erroneous. However, calling upon the Lord is only the beginning of a life led by the Spirit—we must be filled with the Spirit and walk in the Spirit The Spirit leads and guides in all truth.

Your Post
" Duly note, also, that the one poster, with all the force of his jesuitical casuistry, attempted to defame the Holy Apostles, Matthew and Paul, with blasphemous smears against their uncompromising characters. He shamelessly accuses them of making exceptions to Christ's plain and clear commandments and of encouraging the divorced to join themselves in illicit unions under the cloak of "remarriage." The height of heresy, the crown of sacrilege!!!

The other, in a fury of passion against rank lies and disdainful deceptions set out to utterly "destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God," with the keen-edged sword of truth, cutting to the heart the twice-married adulterers and the false prophets who champion their unholy cause."
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Amen to your post, dear Brother!

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Your Post
"I do not understand what it is that Murray and those of like mind are hoping to accomplish. Are they trying to disprove the Scriptures? Is it argument for argument's sake? I believe with many it's a desire to feel like they know some mystical truth that the rest of us are too dense to grasp. Why is it that suddenly everyone is unable to understand the KJV? Is there some grandiose lie being perpetrated by the traditional texts that desperately needs to be brought to light by modern critics? "
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I agree with your post, Kenny.

I believe every verse, every word, every line of my grandmother's old black Bible. The new translations have added nothing to the Churches—but more division, contention, and worldliness.

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Ah, my dear Seaton

I do believe the principal effect cause of the performance of this duty is the Spirit. I am very aware that without the Spirit we can do nothing—we are nothing—we are helpless. I do not believe in irresistible grace. God draws us by His Spirit and gives us desire to come to Him, but we can resist or submit. Having the ability to exercise freewill does not minimize the power of the Spirit or the helplessness of the individual. I know grace is the only means by which we can repent and come to Christ. We cannot save ourselves—we need a deliverer, a Savior,

Why do you condemn those that are walking in obedience to the Word and say they are not walking in the Spirit if they declare that they are filled with the Spirit?

Your Post
"Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. "
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Pray tell, how do you Calvinists mortify the deeds of the body so that you are not living after the flesh—since you believe that "not of works" means abandonment of the moral law and no works can help forward you in the Spirit? How do you know when you are walking in the Spirit and when you are walking in the flesh? Please don't post Scripture but give a definite answer in yor own words.

Your Post
"The principal efficient cause of the performance of this duty is the Spirit:-- "If by the Spirit." The Spirit here is the Spirit mentioned in verse 11, the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God, that "dwells in us," verse 9, that "quickens us," verse 11; "the Holy Ghost," verse 14; the "Spirit of adoption," verse 15; the Spirit "that maketh intercession for us," verse 26. All other ways of mortification are vain, all helps leave us helpless; it must be done by the Spirit. Men, as the apostle intimates, Romans 9:30-32, may attempt this work on other principles, by means and advantages administered on other accounts, as they always have done, and do: but, saith he, "This is the work of the Spirit; by him alone is it to be wrought, and by no other power is it to be brought about." Mortification from a self-strength, carried on by ways of self-invention, unto the end of a self-righteousness, is the soul and substance of all false religion in the world."
(J. Owen)
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Are you a fiction writer, Abigail?"
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No, I believe the Word of God. The Word of God states what it means and means what it states.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will **guide** you into **all truth**: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that **any man** teach you: but as the same **anointing teacheth** you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Your post
"....and attributes the passage to "the demon-ruled kingdoms of men" (secular) which in fact speaks of religious rulers over the seed of Esau; viz. Sadducees, not so much as a peep from you yet Matthew Henry and likeminded are liars. Why is that Abigail? Could it be that you are unable to rightly divide the word of Truth?"
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But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. (Mar 10:42)

But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: (Mar 10:43)

And whosoever of you will be the chiefest shall be servant of all. (Mar 10:44)

For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. (Mar 10:45)

I agree with Spiritual. Jesus is speaking of the lords of the kingdoms of the world exercising lordship and authority over their underlings, but He declares to His followers that the chiefest shall be servant of all even as He, the Lord of all creation, came not to be ministered unto to, but to minister.