William wrote:
If you are really interested in the facts, here they are. They are documented, verified, and have come out of his very mouth.
Obama supports, defends, and promotes murder by abortion and the sexual perversion known as homosexuality.
If you really believe the Bible, how do you justify your defense of someone who promotes what God hates?
Christians do not have to limit their choice of president to Obama or McCain. They have a man of God they can support:
CHUCK BALDWIN of the Constitution Party.

You don't know the facts! When it comes to Obama, the media loves to embellish and outright misrepresent this man. It has been said that Obama is for same sex marriage. That is blatantly false! He has stated that he believes marriage is between one man and one woman.

What Bush says means absolutely nothing! Why? He contradicts what is suppose to be his "true convictions" about the afore-mentioned things. Let me ask you a question: Would you be a part of a church that goes against the Scriptures? I wouldn't! Why would the President? Thus his Christianity has no credibility with me!

Michael Hranek wrote:
Wayne
So why haven't you listened?
Let me ask you a question are you by any chance a Roman Catholic?

Oh, I always listen to the same old "American style Political Rhetoric", but I am smart enough to know a bunch of hogwash when I see and hear it!

I am a member of a very powerful, Bible believing Baptist Church. What about you?

To Lurky:

Lurker wrote:
You sound like a news junkie. When you come to accept God as He is (sovereign in all things) you'll forget all this nonsense, which won't change a thing, and leave it to Him. I guess they didn't teach you that at cemetary, eh?

Lurker wrote:
BO is a liberal Democrat. Is that original enough for you?

I've heard all of this before! You still miss my point my friend. I am well aware that people's ultimate and immediate need is a relationship with the Savior. That is why I share my faith all the time! I've encountered "church folks", "religious" people, and have had the pleasure of seeing a few come to know Christ in a "Authentic" way!

That, however, doesn't mean that people don't deal with issues that affect their well being, and bring about fear for the future. My point simply is I have observed that for the most part, the Republican party plays on the fears of people. Even Karl Rove has implied these very sentiments on Sean Hannity's show.

In America, we are simply not use to seeing a man of color with so many gifts and talents rise up from being a nobody, to a State Senator, to a US Senator, and to the nomination of his politcal party for US President...in just 4 short years! Who else has ever done that?

There are many "good people" who are pro-choice, even many, many Republicans I might add such as "John McCain". The current Vice-President supports his daughter homosexual lifestyle.

Our President belongs to a church that advocates ordaining Gay ministers, embraces same sex marriage, sees abdsolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality, promotes a pro-choice idealogy, and even questions the infalliablility and inerrancy of The Scriptures.

Therefore, my question to you KK is, can Mr. Bush be considered "Christian" by his church affiliation? And anyone can chime in if you like.

Additionally, I want to ask another pertinent question to this issue that I will deal with after I've heard from you. Is is a sin for a woman to abort her baby if the child was conceived from a rape? Is the law of God nullified by a woman's "unfortunate circumstance?"

Once again you are wrong! I have NEVER tried to get Christians to see it my way as I am very much a Christian and have been one since the age of 15.

What I have tried to point out is that there is no monopoly on rightesousness by either party as every politician is human and thus flawed! As a caucasion man living in America, I have observed things about "us" that I am beginning to not like very much.

An example of this would be Fox News. there can be no denying that they hate Barack Obama and are scared to death of this man; not because he is evil, but because he is a Black man that goes against conservative stereotypes of Black people. Barack is tall, handsome, extremely intelligent, very gifted politically speaking, articulate, and most people in "White America" is crazy about him!

I agree with you wholeheartedly! That is why I gave my life to Christ at the young age of 15, and have been walking with Him every since. In fact, I think your point actually undergirds what I have been trying to communicate to the people here: No political party has a monopoly on "Rightesousness" and "Righteous Living". All of these persons are flawed from the deep recesses of their souls, and need a relationship with Christ!

I've already pointed out in my previous posts that this might be a year that I hold out on voting for the presidency due to the critical issues that we face such as abortion and same sex marriage, etc. I am pro-life! I am against Gay marriage!

William wrote:
Obama a good man?
When he was in the Illinois Senate he repeatedly opposed a bill that would have defined as a "person" a baby who had survived an induced-labor abortion and was born alive.
"As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality..." Barack Obama
Showing the love of Christ to others and supporting legislation which would legalize what God says is an abomination are two entirely different things. Do not confuse the two.
How can a "good man" or a true Christian support murder and sexual perversity?
http://www.baptistpress.com/BPnews.asp?ID=27510
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_same_sex/2008/03/03/77289.html?s=al&promo_code=4654-1

That is a very good question! Why does the current Republican president stay with the most liberal church in America: The United Methodist Church. Remember, the same church that:

1. Ordains Gay Ministers
2. Advocates a Pro-choice agenda.
3. Advocates Gay marriage
4. Sees the homosexual lifestyle as acceptable

Thinker wrote:

Nothing you have said proves that Obama is a muslim or, is unpatriotic, etc. If Obama was a member of Rev. Wright's church, then he certainly was not a muslim! MLK was clearly not a muslim. And for the record, what Obama was referring to by making the statement concerning MLK and Malcom has to do with their strenght, their tenacity in the face of extreme oppression.

Most of the negative stuff you guys have come up with has come out of bogus books such as the latest one by Jerome Corsi. however, it has already been proven that so far there are at least 87 "serious" factual lies in the book!

I challenge you to find one posting wherein I said: "You are a racist if you don't vote for Obama!" You are playing the race card by pretending to know what people think! I can assure you that Obama will garner around 98% of the African-American community's vote! Where do you get your stats?

Furthermore, I never said that I was "Ashame of being wealthy and White? Do you alkways embellish other people's comments like you have mine? I hope not as by your own admission you're too old for that!

If you did, then you would know that both Talbot and DTS believes that and teaches it better than any seminary in the world! John MacArthur also holds to a dispensational perspective as well and he also teaches Justification By Faith!

Dispensationalism doesn't preclude Justification by Faith. Where did you get that from?

Second, to Sherry: Again, who you vote for is your business! I NEVER told you to vote for Obama or any other person. I simply told you that to not vote for "anyone" based on "books" is not a good reson not to vote for them. If John McCain is your option, then he is a very poor option:

However, we know that isn't true! John McCain is no Christian! He doesn't profess to be, he is scared to say where he stands on Gay Marriage, and he is certainly no "Saint" due to his breaking up and destroying his family by chasing a young, rich, beer guzzling blonde name "Cindy."

You've played right into the hands of how "Red Necks" attempt to impersonate "Christians." For the record, I am as White as they come! Your assumption that I've flunked out of school, come from Compton is the reason why there is so much racial divide in this Country!

I have both an undergraduate and graduate degrees from two well known Bible College & Seminary (Talbot & Dallas Seminary). You can't get any more evangelical and conservative as those schools!

I simply came on this site and was appalled by all of the foolishness that I've read. It is so-called "White Evangelicals" that stir up animosity and race bait by their nonsensical rhetoric by reading books that falsely depict a good man as some evil monster!

Where is the same crap when it comes to John McCain? How come you guys don't talk about his destryoing his family to run behind a rich, beer guzzling blonde?

Everybody has heard that the President is a Drunk! That is by his own admission. The Obama's have been married for 16 years, and he has done really well! That is a clear indication that the man has character.

Too bad we can't say that for John McCain and his Beer guzzling wife Cindy, the "husband stealer."

I mentioned those men for the purpose of showing you and others who have been duped into thinking that The Republican party is somehow "God's Party," that God isn't own by no one!

I actually forgot to mention Bill O'Reilly, the sexual harasser who paid 10 million dollars to a woman who didn't want him and to keep her quiet! Yet, he thinks he speaks for God. What a complete joke!

I don't mean to sound like a "Shock Jock", but homosexuality is very nasty when you consider the physical aspect of it. I am absolutely certain that our God, in all of His wisdom, did not intend for the Anus to be penetrated in that manner!

Medical Doctors will testify that they perform repair surgery all the time on gay men who's spintcher muscle has been damaged, and that their feces come out involuntarily (sorry have to be graphic to make a point).

Thinker wrote:
Wayne,
Then you agree. These men, like all others, are sinners in need of a Savior. So, as a professed Redeemed one, let your mission be that to which you were called by the Lord Jesus Christ. "Go, therefore into all the world and make disciples."
Making disciples means a call to "deny oneself" - "take up one's cross" - and, "follow Christ."
You can start with Obama.

Sherry C. wrote:
Michael Hranak -A hearty Amen! Lurker- I agree. Wayne- and and

Apparently you agree with me about McCain! Somebody has mislead the Republicans into thinking that they speak for God. Wow! What a joke. Let's look at the Republicans:

1. George Bush-- a liar and a war monger.
2. Dick Cheney-- uses office to get richer.
3. Karl Rove--cover up man, running from US Congress to protect president.
4. Newt Ginrich-- a serial adulterer.
5. Bob Livingston-- would be speaker of house after Newt, but was exposed as a serial adulterer.
6. Mark Foley-- a Homosexual pervert who likes "little boys".
7. Rush Limbaugh--Drug Addict