"Keep in mind that the survey question said nothing about Sanctification. It appears that both of you make no distinction between Justification and Sanctification, making Sanctification the sole ground of Justification, which is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. "
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In separating Justification and Sanctification you are promoting the OSAS heresy that states you saved no matter what you do—simply believe with your dead "do nothing" faith without works. Justification must be coupled with Sanctification, or none will enter the portals of heaven.

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

"Borill
You and many others hold to a theological perspective that fosters a carefree disregard for THE SERIOUS THINGS IN GOD'S WORD --- it negates THE MANY **WARNINGS** SET FORTH TO BELIEVERS *IN* Christ
You, like so many others, have determined that man has NO RESPONSIBILITY --- your idea that it is all GOD and nothing to do with man is the very theology that has brought America to the point of ruin in the face of all this Hellishly Unspeakable Godlessness
This theological prospectus you [*and others*] have compiled is one of great folly and dysfunction -- it is nothing short of *haphazard* ReLiGiOn
Men who teach the idea "There is nothing you can do" are promoting a FAITH WITHOUT WORKS and James says FAITH WITHOUT IT'S ACCOMPANYING WORKS IS *dead* --- the man who practises a *dead* FAITH such as this is only fooling himself."
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Amen KK!

The Word of is sure and not one jot or tittle shall fail. Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (Pro 30:5)

The answers to your senseless questions have nothing to do with anything.

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R.K. Borill said

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD."

That applies to you!! You are the thief and robber trying to get in another way because you refuse to hear the words of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and refuse to walk in His footsteps. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked (I Jo 2:6). Jesus Christ came PREACHING THE GOSPEL. The Apostles including Paul were filled with the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit confirmed and affirmed His Words in their inspired writings.

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Faithful Remnant

The OSAS heresy is leading millions to hell. You think you can live a life is degradation and shame and no matter what you do you still have eternal life. REPENT OF YOUR EVIL DEEDS. Come into the light that you evil deeds may be reproved and walk in the light even as Jesus Christ the righteous is in the light. Those that have not been filled with the Spirit cannot discern good from evil. They are blinded to the truth and put light for darkness and darkness for light.

" "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD."
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The doctrine of Christ is His virgin birth, His teachings, His death, burial and resurrection. You are teaching antinominian heresy. If you do not hear and obey Jesus Christ's words, you are none of His.

Mat 7:24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not; for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Joh 14:15-16 If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

"But works has everything to do with faith. For we find works within our faith. Our faith, other words our reliance and obedience in Yahshua is consisted of works. How can one be obedient without some kind of works?"
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You are right, Kevin!!

Everyone has works. Their works are either wicked or righteous! Even those who say we are to have NO WORKS but FAITH ONLY have works. They read their Bible, they pray, they attend church, they pay money, some preach. Why do they do all this? Are they trying to earn their salvation as they accuse others of doing?

Jesus said if we love Him we will keep [obey] His words, and those who love Him not keep not His words. Moreover, He said the works that He did, His followers will also do and even greater. He told us to let our light shine so that men may see our GOOD WORKS.

Act 26:20 that they should repent and turn to God, and do **works meet for repentance**.

Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in **well doing** seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:

1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

"Like Abigail you trust in YOUR DEEDS and YOUR ABILITIES. You are welcome to do so, but this is not the way to eternal life. It is not the door of the sheepfold but it is climbing in another way which is the way of theives and robbers."
Secondly, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe which you assume that men are able to do without regeneration. You fail to see that santification (holy living) follows and is a consequence of justification by faith alone. "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast."

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Wrong, Sir!! I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ by the infilling of the Holy Ghost to lead and guide in all truth and I follow according to His leading. I trust not my deeds and abilities, but His Word of truth that gives knowledge of His will, working within my being to fulfill His purpose in my life. To Him be all glory, honor, and praise forever and ever!! The Lord will be exalted on the earth and He will be exalted in my life and heart. He reigns on earth and He reigns in my heart!!

I do not assume men have the Holy Spirit without regeneration. The infilling of the Holy Spirit is regeneration.

Mass? I'm not Catholic!

" Abigail wrote:
You give your doctrinal position without ever giving Scripture to verify your beliefs—and then speak of this "heresy" which now permeates modern churches. You are teaching commandments and doctrines of men and call others which disagree with your doctrines that are found no where in the Bible "heretics". You need to look in the mirror and in the Word of God. Doctrines not founded on the pure Word of God are not of God and is to reject the Bible and it's laws and doctrines.
In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abigail
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Pentecostals do the same in addition to using experience to correct doctrine. If presby is wrong, where fall the pentecostals then? "
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I always give Scripture to verify what I state.

" I can only now say that this heresy which now permeates many modern churches, is so comprehensive that I am not surprised at the emergence of the Liberal trait to reject the Bible and it's laws and doctrines."
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You give your doctrinal position without ever giving Scripture to verify your beliefs—and then speak of this "heresy" which now permeates modern churches. You are teaching commandments and doctrines of men and call others which disagree with your doctrines that are found no where in the Bible "heretics". You need to look in the mirror and in the Word of God. Doctrines not founded on the pure Word of God are not of God and is to reject the Bible and it's laws and doctrines.

"Sorry, I'm not your teacher. If you don't know the answers to your questions then perhaps you should spend more time in personal bible study and less time commenting on Sermon Audio."
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Obviously you cannot answer the question of how Paul was alive without the law and when the commandment came, he died. You cannot correlate this scripture with your theory that all were DEAD and unable to call upon God.

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. (Rom 7:9)

How did Enoch walk with God and was translated if He was dead and unable to call upon God? How could Noah have been perfect in his generations and escape the destruction of the world by
the flood?
How did Abraham have the fellowship and friendship with God being that he was dead due to Adam's transgression?
How did Moses receive his calling and ministry delivering the Israelites from Egyptian bondage and leading them through the perils of the wilderness for 40 years?

The Holy Ghost was not outpoured until after the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

" Trying to establish belief prior to baptism, is simply another prohibitive measure applied to exclude a person from baptism, until they fit into the precepts of denomination, in the Baptist church.
Baptism is a *Sacrament* ordained by Christ Himself. HE never intended that it should be the contention, of part of the church to use it to divide it up into factions, as the Anabaptist/Baptist organisations have adapted it into today.
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Your concept has no Scriptural basis.

In the Book of Acts, they were admonished to repent, be baptized, and receive the Holy Ghost. That is the prescribed way and there are no other instructions for baptism in the Scriptures

John the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus Christ, introduced baptism in the NT. The people came confessing their sins, repenting, and were baptized.

Jesus Christ said that whosoever believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:16)

The procedure in the Word of God is belief—baptism—salvation. There is no suggestion in the entire Scriptures that infants are to be baptized. According to Paul's teaching, baptism is a rite that is followed by believers in obedience to the Word of God, signifying death, burial, and resurrection to newness of life with Jesus Christ.

Please tell me sir, how long should we wait between posts if no one posts in the meantime?

I have not used different monikers to post. If we wait one hour before our next post, our comments are accepted by SA.

Thank you!

"Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
"He is not speaking of himself only, but allegorically of the whole human race."
Really? And just how did you come to this conclusion?
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You are a follower of the Reformers' doctrines. Why not call a spade a spade?

Please explain according to your expertise, "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died" (Rom 7:9)
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When was Paul alive without the law? (You state that all are DEAD (walking corpses) and have no ability to call on God?

When did the commandment come?

What was the commandment? (Vs.7 I had not known lust except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.)

How did he die when sin revived? What sin?

How was he made alive when he revived?

" Spiritual promotes and publishes heresy. The fact that you see him as being above reproach evidences your own want of spiritual discernment. To suggest that he is on a plain almost equal with the Apostle Paul is frightening to say the least.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2Co 11:14, 15
"...transforming themselves..." vs 13
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If anyone enters into the holy walk ordained for the disciples of Christ in the Scriptures, it should be frightening, because the wheels of justice turn slowly, but they will bring about their purpose in their appointed time. Judgment begins at the house of God.

Spiritual seeks to be like Christ, which is the commandment. (Mat 10:24). I see no one else on these threads that have any desire to be like the blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

The Reformers were anything but Christlike with their heresies and murderous actions.

" What about present sins or sins that you will commit, or do you PRESUME that you are no longer capable of sinning? Do you PRESUME that Jesus has only paid for past sins and that you may work to attone for those you commit now…"Except a man is born again, HE CAN NOT SEE . . ."
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Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are **past**, through the forbearance of God;

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man **sin**, we have an **advocate** with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

You arbitrarily interpret the Scriptures on the presumption that they agree with your theology of irresistible grace, which, in fact, they do not.

I have never said we have within ourselves the ability to live a sinless life. I have stated repeatedly that without the indwelling Holy Ghost, we are helpless against the wiles of the Devil. The purpose of the indwelling HG is to give us power to overcome sin and to be witnesses to the world. God implants His laws within our hearts, giving us a desire to glorify Him with our lives.

"Why do you feel the need to explain away what Paul clearly admitted.... he was D E A D in trespass and sin until Jesus granted him mercy. No free will decision on his part.
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Your statement about dead "sincere" devout religious persons capabilities reminds me of the Reformers' actions towards those that disagreed with their doctrines—the murderous spirit they displayed towards those that opposed them.

How do you explain that Paul was ALIVE WITHOUT THE LAW until the commandment came? Dead men do not revive and die again. How did the Law slay him? Although Jesus Christ supernaturally revealed Himself to Paul, Paul most assuredly did use his free will to accept and follow the Lord Jesus Christ unto death.

Sin is transgression of the law. Paul was not living when the Law was given hundreds of years before his birth. He is not speaking of himself only, but allegorically of the whole human race. He is stating that the commandments of the Law of Moses could not make anyone perfect, nor could the sacrifices of the blood of bulls and goats. Moreover, he is saying that without the indwelling Spirit, humanity does not have the ability to live a just and holy life, but that Jesus Christ is the deliverer from wretched self, sin, and Satan.

Paul was sincere with God, though wrong. He was not acquainted with the Lord Jesus Christ until the Damascus experience. He was devout and was serving God to the best of his ability with the knowledge that he possessed. That is the reason God chose Him for the ministry, and he was a faithful, obedient slave unto Christ from his conversion to his martyrdom. What a wonderful saint and dear brother in Christ. How glorious it would be to see men like him today in this age of apostasy. Spiritual is close!!

If man can repent without being born again, they can save themselves and they need not God!! What presumption!!
All have sinned—nothing that humanity could do could make restitution for past sins. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash away the filth. Man cannot deliver himself from the clutches of Satan. He can be sorry for his sins and have compunction of heart, but only Christ delivers from the power of Satan.

Paul says that in weakness God's strength is made perfect. When we, in our weakness, cast ourselves upon the Lord Jesus Christ, confessing our sins and seeking forgiveness, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Giving our lives a living sacrifice unto God is our free will offering.

Rom 12:1 …present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

"For the promise is unto you and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Remember, Peter said this to Jews, Jews who were used to having the outward sign of their faith applied to their children.
The Jew would expect his child to be baptized. If it were refused, what would you have done in his place… They baptized their babies as they had circumcised them in the Old Testament dispensation."(F R Schaeffer)"
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This concept is adding to the Scripture which is forbidden—it is rationalization without Scriptural backing. Nowhere does the Scripture state that baptism replaced circumcision.

None are born again until they repent and accept the atoning blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins. Sanctification of the parents is the only requirement for children's cleanliness.

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

You please tell me where in Scripture is stated that humanity is not a free moral agent and that God will not hear his cry when he calls unto Him in repentance. No one is born again until after repentance—not before, as the following Scriptures plainly prescribe.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Act 26:20 But showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.