RtG wrote:
Yes!
Propitiation for sin - not anger!

26 Be ye ANGRY, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your WRATH:
Remember also Paul's teaching about sin in Romans 7:14ff

Are you saying then, that God is still angry towards or at you?

I don't know about your God. But the God of the bible HAS expiated all of his wrath towards his saints. The God of the bible IS SATISFIED, and He IS seated on the Mercy Seat. God was not only angry at our sin, He was angry at SINNERS. We sin because we are SINNERS.

26 Be ye ANGRY, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your WRATH:

pew view wrote:
Believers must be careful not to grieve him or provoke him to anger through sin.

Believers must be careful not to provoke him to anger?

Was not this anger not expiated at the cross?

Expiate means: to breath out completely. If you expell all of your breath out of your lungs, their is not any thing left to breath out. God has expiated all of his Holy wrath (anger) towards his people "on Christ". If you are "In Him", the anger has been expiated

Can a believer provoke God to anger?

wishful thinking wrote:
Aahh It is so wonderful to see you all debating in such a Christ honoring fashion.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
God Bless.

Banned wrote:
Your remark is ignorant. The Bible speaks of "science so-called", that "we wrestle against principalities and powers of the air." The world's culture is evil, and to deny the power of Satan, whose name is Lucifer, who says he "WILL be like the most high," is faithless and wicked.

1. Other peoples sins.
2. The sins of unbelievers.
3. The sovereignty of Satan (Lucifer)
4. The sovereignty of man.
5. Fearmongering.
6. End time conspiracy theories.

Harken your ear to those who are preoccupied with the following:

1. The atoning work of Christ.
2. The sovereignty of God in salavtion.
3. The sovereignty of God in current events.
4. The repenting of my own sins rather than the judging the sins of others.
5. The recognition of God's decrees in the end times. It says, "These things SHALL come to pass", not "These things WILL come to pass".

Banned wrote:
There is no room on this planet for anybody but Luciferians, perverts, pedophiles, murderers and liars. Those who won't join the crowd are slated for death. The camps are built, and the Luciferians are coming for us, for our kids and they are going to kill us all.
They are already soft-killing us in their evil provacateured wars, their evil mercury-laden vaccines, their poisonous GM food, their flouridated water, their milk loaded with antibiotics and hormones, their soymilk that emasculates boys and super-hormones girls, the chemtrails they spray us with as though we were bugs. They kill off the bees with their GM corn and its built-in pesticides. They kill us with MSG and aspartame, their cheap denatured food that never spoils; their murderous medicines, mind control sorcery drugs, and statin drugs; their deliberate destruction of the economy; their manmade (HAARP) weather disasters and tsunamis and earthquakes, orchestrated famines and pestilances, floods (ie Katrina) and more.

They just differ on these secondary inconsequential items.

Sin, salvation, grace, heaven, hell, damnation, justification, atonement, sanctification...

But the one thing they do agree with many of the bloggers on this board is:

Banned wrote:
The mainstream controlled media is Satan's most powerful and effective weapon to enslave people to the New World Order.

Is that a Biblical term?

Satan's most powerful and effective weapon to enslave people to the New World Order?

Is that Biblical?

Satan's ambition is to mock the Soverign Lord, by convincing man that he is master of his own destiny.

God is in control of the world's events, not Satan.

fuzzy logic wrote:
Are right-wingers (Rush Limpbutt, Mike Savaged, Sean Hand-in-teat) any less biased?

MSNBC promotes itself as being a NEWS network.

enough already wrote:
John Y. - IF McCain is the one who committed adultery against his former wife, then in God's eyes and by the authority of the word of God, he is guilty of adultery and condemned, unless he repents and believes in the gospel.

There are always those who are fixated on the apparent sins of others and are forever testing their apparent fruits of repentance.

Miguel wrote:
DJC49,
When we think of predestination we cannot forget that it is based on God's foreknowledge of who would and would not believe on Christ.
(1 Peter 1:2) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,...
I'm going to make it real simple for you..God ELECTED and PREDESTINATED those who He FOREKNEW would believe on Christ, to salvation and glory.

He foreknew "WOULD BELIEVE IN CHRIST"?

"For those He foreknew He also predestined"

I am sorry but you are adding your own bent into the text.

BTW The word "knew" in foreknew is gnosko, not gnosis in the greek. Gnosis means "knowledge of". Gnosko comes from the hebrew word, "yadaw" which means "to know with approbation, intimately" example, Adam "knew" Eve.

Mike wrote:
Obama is a shape-shifter. His words mean nothing.

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Christiana wrote:
You are always good for levity, DJ.
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lyn,
Where have you been? Thanks for the encouragement.
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rogerant,
No hard feelings. Reciprocated?

I rarely get hostile except when others switch there tactics to character attacks.

I know at times that it is hard to express on paper what our positions are. But I can tell when someone's heart has been touched by the saviour, and we must treat them as such.

Some have gifts of teaching, some of faith, some of love, compassion etc. The Lord dispenses different gifts to all his sheep. We are all equal in His sight, and should treat each other accordingly.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Is Christ's death sufficient to cover the sins of an habitual sinner.

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Is the Gospel a teaching on pragmatic Christianity, or is it a proclamation of a historical sacrafice for sins:

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Christiana wrote:
I'd really like to hear how your Systematic Theology is for anyone other than those gifted with the intelligence to understand.

The Grace of God preserves His Sheep. He is the one who provides saving faith for them. We can't sell the Holy Spirit short of His ability to make them understand the Gospel.

Christiana wrote:
Have you been to a nursing home lately? Most of the people in there have lost the mind they once had, some of them great scholars.
Actually, I think, Jesus says that unless you become like litle children you will not enter heaven.

Please explain

When I explain the Gospel to the little children I do shorten it. When describing the gospel to someone who claims to adhere to Reformed Theology but missrepresents it, I have to get into the details.

Christiana wrote:
This is absolutely false teaching.
The reason for proclaiming the Gospel to sinners is that they may be SET FREE from their enslavement to SIN.

On 10/28/08 1:17 PM you posted:

"No, I do not hold to RC views, but to Reformed Theology"

I have never accused you of being a Gnostic, RC, etc. or being unsaved. All I have done is posted that the doctrines that you have posted are inconsistent with Reformed Theology.

The reason for proclaiming the GOSPEL to SINNERS is to proclaim to them the positional vicarious objective imputed righteousness before a Holy God.

Then, after they have accepted this alien righteousness, we exhort them as Christians to live a Holy life. God does provide victory over the bondage of sin in sanctification. Although practical perfection does not arrive until Glorification.

I had your post removed earlier. It was rude, missrepresented my position, accused me of loving my sins, claimed that my gospel was no gospel at all, and that my system of belief is cold, dead orthodoxy, apart from the power of the gospel to save. My posts were a defence of the Reformed Theology that you profess to believe.

Mercy wrote:
You forget all the verses that call for obedience.
Last post.

I have a very good series on the Reformed view of sanctification that I can send you. I am sure you will enjoy it. It is very easy to listen to. I can send it to you if you send me an e-mail on my link.

Mercy wrote:
Rogerant,
I have not studied Systematic Theology, nor did I come to know the Lord through commentaries.

You jumped into this forum regarding a theological issue pertaining to Christians struggling with habitual sin in sanctification. You position is not only not Reformed, it is not even protestant.

It is very similar to the doctrines infused righteousness of the Roman Church. It teaches that Christ's righteousness is infused into the believer providing him practical victory over sin. The protestant doctrine is Christ's righteousness imputed or charged to the believer apart from his works before or after conversion. There is not difference what type of sin either. There is no difference between church gossip, a prideful heart or lusts of the flesh, including those of homosexuality. They will all condemn you to eternal separation from God.

Mercy wrote:
What do you offer a sinner when you present the gospel?
a] No, it isn't.
Your weightiness of sin depresses me. Where is "joy of my salvation?" What practical benefits are there NOW for you - poor wretched sinner, struggling with every breath to show how humble you are, and how much more enlightened you are than the masses of ignorant people who just read the Bible and trust what God has said in His Word.
If only we, the ignorant masses, could be so enlightened, but we will surely see in eternity.

I do not struggle with every breath to show how humble I am. My focus is on Christ and what He has done for me, NOT ON MY OWN NAVEL or own my own ability to keep the law.

Mercy wrote:
I agree with the WCF - sanctification of the whole person, however, imperfectly. The difference is in degrees. .if one steals regularly, one is a thief. That is an indication of a lack of saving faith. God does not call us to something that will only be accomplished in eternity. If Holiness in all our behaviour does not manifest itself now, it will not start when we see Jesus.

I do steal regularly. I am a habitual thief. I can't finish eating my breakfast without serving myself. I fail to reflect God's glory every day. I will to do good, but my members will to do evil. Thanks be to God for my Lord Jesus Christ.

If holiness in all of my behavior must manifest itself before I see Jesus, I never will see Him. But thanks be to God, Christ's holiness manifested itself on the cross so that I DO see Jesus.