Boy isn't that the truth?

But I don't think they wanted a Bible in contemporary English based on corrupted, tampered with manuscripts or texts prepared by men (like Bruce Metzger) who admittedly don't believe most of what's in Scripture.

BTW - My new TBS Classic Concord AV arrived today and I LOVE it. I can't wait to dig into it tonight and attempt to read all of that incomprehensible language (according to Jim/Gil) and obsolete verbiage (according to Jim/Gil) that has so blessed my soul and been a glowing light unto my feet for most of my life!

Jim, have you read Jamieson, Fausset and Brown? Do you mean to tell me that you were able to get beyond the introductory notes to the Pentateuch without tossing it into the trash can? I read through the first of the three volumes and was befuddled as to why their commentaries are even given a second thought.

"You do realize the publishers of the KJV don't do it for free, right?"

First, there are those who publish the AV who only charge what it costs to produce a copy (Bearing Precious Seed, TBS' own Windsor Text and others).

Also, I can quote the AV in publications as much as I want to for free. Zondervan will not let you do that with their NIV. Thomas Nelson will not let you do that with their NKJV. Plus, when I buy Bible software, I don't have to pay an 'unlocking fee' to any publisher to access the AV. If, however, I want access to the NKJV, NASB, NIV, etc., I have to pay their 'unlocking fee' to access it.

Why do you think a publisher like Zondervan pushes their NIV so hard? Why do they care what version you buy as long as you buy one that they print? Yet even though they publish both the KJV and the NIV, when was the last time you saw an advertisement for the KJV that they publish? They make A LOT of money peddling their NIV.

Another thought: Why do you suppose they are already advertising & scheduling their 'new' NIV release in 2011? Is there another Bible version that will be celebrating an anniversary & getting a great deal of press in 2011?

"The KJV is not, as KJV-only advocates are fond of saying, the final authority. Instead, the final authority for the Christian must be the inspired autographs."

OK. Where exactly are those 'inspired autographs'? Can someone please produce them? Can someone please produce even a sliver or shred of a copy of one of them that was written within a few years of them?

Nope. And therein lies the problem. We don't have the physical originals. So, did God or did He not preserve His Word for His children?

Wouldn't it be best to trust a version that is a descendent of previous trustworthy, time-tested versions (Tyndale, Geneva etc.) that have been produced by men chosen by God and used by God thru the centuries?

Or would you rather use a modern version based on questionable (at best) manuscripts that denigrate the deity of Christ and produced by men of questionable if not outright heretical beliefs regarding the inspiration and reliability of Scripture?

That's an easy one for me.

"And for the benefit of Jim Lincoln who seems only to see merit on a translation suitable for 4 year olds..."

I have always wondered what it is that some folks claim to find so difficult to understand about the KJV's English. I've always figured it's got to be one of three things:

1) They have been told it's hard to understand by Thomas Nelson, Zondervan, etc. (it's not),

2) They are trying to read while 'CCM' music is playing in the background (you can't read & understand the funny papers with that noise going on)

or

3) They need to take a remedial English course.

I suspect #3 in most cases.

http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/

God's judgment is surely upon the U.S. and He has given us exactly the president and leadership we deserve.

So many of our leaders and even pastors go around proudly boasting about how wonderful we are and asking God to 'bless America'. God doesn't bless nations that kill a million babies every year, pander to and even celebrate sodomites and treat the marriage covenant like it's meaningless. Then we foolishly entertain ourselves with fleshly music, movies and TV shows that glorify the very sins He sent His only begotten Son to die for. Now we even integrate that trash into church meetings and call it "worship". If someone can figure out how to do it, they put it on a CD or DVD and sell it. Selling "worship"! Think about that.

I believe the only thing that has held back God's judgment until now is the Christian population but now even those who call themselves believers are worshipping who-knows-what every Sunday. Why is anyone surprised if there is witchcraft in the White House?

First, your ability to communicate your thoughts clearly is historically pretty weak for someone who appears to consider themself an 'educated' modern version advocate. (Latest example: ..."hope that those who is in the more extreme portions q.v...."). Didn't I read somewhere that you have a Masters Degree? For a man who seems to put a premium on education, your own mastery of the English language is often poor at best. That's not an insult, simply an observation based on your own comments.

Much more importantly, for your own sake, you should to be careful who and/or what you are calling a 'tool of satan'. Even in anger. Seriously, you are treading on very, very dangerous ground, Jim.

Finally, many independent publishers here in the U.S. continue to use the AV exclusively for both books and tracts. Are you saying that Christians don't read or buy the AV any longer? That's just plain not true. The major, corporately owned publis$hing companie$ do not use it in their products because (obviously) they have their own versions that they want to use and promote. There is big money in Bible versions.

Go over to the UK or anywhere else or just stay here in the US. Print a 100 page Gospel booklet and quote the AV extensively throughout. Even quote Bible (AV) verses that account for more than 99% of the booklet. Quote, quote, quote. Sell the booklet or give it away, whichever you prefer. Let's say it becomes a worldwide best seller! The masses are clamoring for it! You know what will happen? No one will bother you at all.

Now try that with the NKJV, NIV or the new darling of the modern version crowd, the ESV. Thomas Nelson, Zondervan or Crossway would have you in court so fast you wouldn't have time to say 'Gil Rugh'. These Judas publishing companies won't even let you quote their 'Bibles' in a church bulletin without their permission! And you call these books God's Word?

The most sound preachers on SermonAudio use the AV exclusively. Loads of believers all over the world still use it exclusively-even many who don't consider English to be their primary language.

"Must be real nice Jim to have someone think through all the issues for you so that you can just refer people to their material!"

Amen, brother. I'm sure you speak for many saying that.

Jim/Gil wrote:

"But he quotes from AV in the Treading the Roman Road, that's the printed version, of the sermon. Of course he had to spend some time translating it into modern English, but that's not surprising."

Of course he did so that folks who are too dense or indifferent to comprehend the plain English of the AV could read it.