RK responds,

Character assassination? I think you do a pretty good job of that yourself. I don't need to help you there.

RK responds,

Not able to counter from the Bible? So you choose not to address the main issue. The Bible isn't important to you so you choose to distract with red-herring arguments.

RK writes,

Oh but I did. It's clever that you over look the verse that I gave. Why? In case you missed it here it is again:

R. K. It's interesting that you know my position in Charismatic tongues when we have not discussed it. Nevertheless, charismatics are heretics because they add to God's revelation.

RK responds,

You are adding your own hyper-Calvinistic gloss.

And of course, baptism never was a sacrament, but an ordinance.

R. K. Borill responds,

Yes, we wouldn't want to refer to an ordinance as a sacrament, lest we sound like a . . . CATHOLIC, which is always a fallacy that Baptists like to compare us to.

This is the fallacy of guilt by association. Just because the Catholics are in error about much does not mean that all they say is a lie. This is the tactic that the devil uses often- the mixing of truth with lies. It is this reason the Baptists throw the baby out with the bath water.

For example consider the truth that the devil used to tempt The Lord.

Psalm 91:11-12 KJV
[11] For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. [12] They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

I hardly think that John Baptist ( ) could be used as an example of universal unilateral salvation. He was rare.

I also think that it is God's intention that men repent and believe the gospel. Jesus preached that, and so do I.

RK responds,

When did I mention universal or unilateral salvation. They were examples to show that a universal exclusion of infants could not be established nor could Baptists claim to limit God's free grace to "Adults only".

From someone supposed to minister God's word! Amazing!

Ever occurred to your challenged mind that God grants repentance and faith through the preached word? Faith cometh by hearing etc.

Oh, I forgot in Presby circles, it is infused at baptism!

R. K. Borill responds,

Your Ad Hoc is a bit of trickery, which makes it appear that you are offering conclusive logic when in truth it makes you appear to be either lazy or is unable or unwilling to prove your argument. The fact that you add ad hominem insult reveals your desperation.

In truth, faith does come by hearing but what is the rest of the verse you butchered. "And hearing by the word of God."

If God does not grant hearing then no sinner will hear.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For a 'minister' of God's word you sure are a very lazy thinker.

R. K. Borill responds,

I openly admit that I am. I have applied logic to the texts, and reached a logical conclusion which not only fits that text but all other texts.

It is only those who read babies into the texts who will have a problem. Logically, babies are incapable of repentance and, as Unprofitable Servant has already proved, without the qualification, the apostles baptised no-one.

R. K. Borill responds,

Logic? Let's see. You say that we are reading infants into the text when there are no words stating "X-Rated" ADULTS only. If repentance can not occur without faith, and faith and repentance are gifts of God's grace, then your conclusion is that God had limited his gifts to an X-rating. This is a faulty conclusion and fallacy because . . .

It seems to me RK that the whole household was baptised because they all came to believe the message. The first century was a very dangerous time to be a Christian, and I do not think anyone would accept being baptised in the Christian faith, aligning themselves with the apostles, unless they truly believed. The household in question would certainly include people who could think for themselves, yet none of them rejected baptism, as the whole house was baptised. And I believe that is a perfectly logical explanation.

The infamous Straw man attack is simply one in which the attacker misrepresents his victim's characteristics, argumentation or beliefs so that the attacker can more easily defeat the victim and then claim a fraudulent victory.

But, like I said before guy, if you want to live as the Jew, knock yourself out. Only, don't just stop with the Seventh Day Adventist false doctrine,

Turning in, but I'll check your answer first thing in the morning. Thank you.

R. K. Borill responds,

False apostles not only attempted to place the yoke of Jewish bondage on the neck of the church, but also wanted to fill the Galatians minds with wicked superstitions. Their purpose was to bring Christianity back to Judaism. While this is in itself no light offense, an even greater evil was done. In direct opposition to the grace of Christ, they set up a defense of holidays as a performance to merit God's favor and pretended that their mode of worship would establish divine favor. Not only scripture but history has shown that when such doctrines were received, the worship of God was corrupted, the grace of Christ made void. The freedom of conscience was oppressed.

Is that why you continue to choose that course rather than address the arguments? Your desperation is clear to all to behold.

How is it that something as basic as how the Jews reckoned their Sabbath day has escaped someone who preaches?

R. K. Borill responds,

You obviously did not see the proof texts that had posted earlier. But be that as it may if you want to live as the Jew, knock yourself out man. You have my approval. But, why stop at the Sabbath? Why not go all the way?

I just choose to follow the example of Christ who met with disciples on Sunday and the Apostles who did the same.

Proof, if one were needed, that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in the wrong hands!

R. K. Borill responds,